I've never invested a single cent into online poker and have turned it into 4K and counting.

I started at $100, and have gone to over 7K in 1.5 years, very nice investment considering I would be doing jack shit otherwise.

Oh, and look, Swa was here today. We have a sighting.

yup
 

He cashed out to have a baby, then only wanted to buy back for a little.. so he did that.. and now is on the verge of cashing out again and taking a break or buying back in for a few bucks, I dont know.. I can ask him the motivation of not keeping his money in a poker site.

Really?
 

JD, I don't mean to call you out, but weren't you asking about deposit options the other day?

Yep, he's right.

Hi
 

if you need to deposit with only a credit card use




there fees are kinda silly but if they are your only option

The deal..
 

Ok, My buddy who is not anything like me so should not be called a SWA, just moved his money around sites.. uses it to pay bills, etc..

Also, I am not all that impressed by any of the "amazing" numbers people have thrown out. I mean 7K in 1.5 years.. umm.. is that impressive? Assuming you only played 5 hours a week thats like $19hr, fucking make more working at McDonalds. Don't get me wrong. It is a good accomplishment, glad you could do it, it means something. It is a nice hobby. However, I would not consider it wildly successful.

The guys who impress me make that and more every month. I am obviously not one of those guys but something along the lines of a few thousand a month would be a worthy goal I think.. I get the sense TP makes decent money playing and maybe a few others.. but the majority of people seem to not.

really
 

what mcdonalds you know that pays $19 HR. Its impressive because it shows constant winning not just a big hit. Anyone can go on a run and make 2k in a couple days hell if I did it anyone can. Im more impressed by the 7k in a year and a half then any 2k in a couple days.

Not impressed
 

I am not really impressed by either. Yes, the 7K in 1.5 years shows the dedication and patients you need to grow a roll. That does MEAN something and I do not mean to belittle it. However, it doesnt turn me on at all. Obviously 2K in a week could be luck. If you do it over and over its more likely skill. Of course when I can do a few grand a month consistantly then I can talk smack. lol.

agreed
 

I agree Sir but just like me you have been down this road before and lost it. Why not try to keep it this time and not throw it away? Im not getting this I learned my lesson the 1st time and im not even remotely concidering playing 10/20 or whatever you are concidering playing. I know online its hard to think of the money as really yours but think about it man you might throw away over 1k dollars you know what you could do with that?

Not trying to preach or anything even though it sounds like I'am just dont want to see a post from you in a couple days saying "I hate poker".

Read Brian
 

I am only risking 5 bucks. Ok, 300 bucks of winnings, but -5 in the bankroll. Oh yeah, and read my TP blurb! I HATE POKER! lol.

Ummmm..... I'm confused....


Did Brian and Sir switch logins? :confused: :p :confused:

Don't get me wrong... I'm all for people cashing out whenever they want/need to... I'm just surprised he would cash out $1960 in this case and leave himself with a lousy $40 to work with. Why not cash out $1800 (hardly different that $1960, relatively speaking (not even 9%)) and leave yourself with $200 (EXTREMELY different than $40, relatively speaking (500%)) to rebuild with? That's all I was wondering...

I do make decent money playing online - when I play enough. Most of the time, for one reason or another, I simply don't get the hands in that I would like to.

That's what I did (not the same numbers of course). Literally started out with nothing (freerolls at Bicycle Club site, won some change from that and a free Pokertropolis tourney entry) and somehow managed to go on a tear there to accumulate about $800 in a month. Of course it didn't last, but I did get a few free months without 'work' and some money out of it. :D

Day 4: Experiment
 

Well, day four was interesting. I have basically lost 4 of 5 hands with AA in the last two days. That has been fun. Tonight more of the same. 23 people left. I have 2700 in chips, with 300 blinds. I get AA. The guy before me goes all in. We are HEADS UP! SWEEEEET! He turns 77! YES! PAY-F-ING-DAY.. untill... the river.. when he hits his two outer. It was great. Really excited. No flush draw on the board. No possible straight. Then he rivers the 7. Well, that was it for me. I would have made the final table for sure. Not sure what place I would have finished in.

marlboro is the red headed stepchild of the boroughs.

just had to get that in, as a former resident of both southboro and northboro.

2 Tone and ChipFish

Just to clarify-
ur right i was asking about deposting options- and the reason i had to ask is bcuz i never have before- and i still havent since they wouldnt accept directly through visa.
I started off winning off freerolls, recently cashed out about $4,000. Left myself with $1,000 online and lost it in like 3 days. (down to $17) but now im back to $126 and still havent invested any money.

Just clarifying -, if i were u guys i would think i had invested $ as well but i honestly havent, and im also not saying its a great feat or anything, i am somewhat proud of it but dont think its anything amazing.

Go get 'em McNoog! :)

Westboro!
 

Do not forget Westboro, but WTF ever happened to EastBoro?

I did read
 

300 bucks of winnings is same thing as 300 bucks of bankroll, dont matter if you won it or not its still yours. You can still take that 300 and take the mrs. sir out to a nice dinner. You can still take that 300 and buy lots of porn videos, I know its hard to classify your money from their money but it is. I mean the night I lost 2.5k only $25 was money I invested but damit I lost 2k of money I could of taken out and had fun with. I wish to god I would of thought this way back then and you telling me if you lost all your winnings it wouldnt hurt?

I am impressed. Sir, you and I go way back - in Internet years anyway - but it seems like what you're saying is that if you can't win big, you don't want to win at all.

I'm more of the keep winning over the longer term, slowly growing the bankroll, and slowly moving up in limits. Hell, if it takes 5 years to regularly beat the $200 NL games, then I'll happily take five years to do it.

It's taken me about 6 months to comfortably beat the $25 NL games, and then the $50 NL games. Now that I'm playing the $100 NL games, I have no desire to move up too quickly, just to book bigger wins.

I'm quite content to take my snail's pace in moving up. Just some thoughts.

Lol. Cmon! What place would you have finished in??

It's taken me 6 months to whore every single sight imaginable with 10X or lower clearing requirements, and now these sites are a thing of the past (seemingly). The only poker I've played lately is low buyins at PS and clearing bonuses at Party. The Paradise reload should be sweet, but I hate playing 10 handed limit on that site, too many hands to beat in O8 and I usually struggle just to clear the bonus and be up the bonus amount.

Yep, that's exactly the path I'm on too. Just wish I could get the MTT bug out of my system since I've only baby-cashed once in about the last 15 I've played.

Try betting it all on "red".
Then if it hits, let it ride.

I believe this would satisfy the urges for a quick and easy score, and probably give you better odds then what you are proposing to do...

I haven't been involved too much in this thread (nor do I want to be), but I just get the impression Sir is trying too hard to "nonchalantly disregard money." Maybe that doesn't make sense to some of you, but I'm sure there are a select few who know exactly what I'm talking about.

I personally don't think you (directed to Sir) make the kind of money you're alluding to. Of course, I'm just speculating, but we've talked too often on AIM, and that's just my impression. Feel free to scan and post your last W2 (redacting the contact information) to prove me wrong.

I hope you realize your plan is stupid, and it's incredibly detrimental to your progress as a poker player. You are completely results oriented, and when you play outside of your bankroll limits, you're simply creating a recipe for disaster. But you've been there before. Two or three times.

"You play to win the game." The only way you're going to do that is by making correct decisions.

Fuck results.

I hated Titan...cleared pso promo, and got the f out. Bad..

Good points. I agree. I have a similar mindset. I couldnt/cant justify using family money to play. I started with free $10 from prima, $20 from Pacific, and $25 from TP, and grinded out a meager bankroll (~$1000). This summer has been crazy, and I cashed about half out and havent played much. Just starting to gear up for alot of playing and bonus whoring. I will continue to build the bankroll, and cash out a bit here and there (as well as profit from 2 small weekly tournaments). I am dedicated to improving, reading books, expanding my game to more NL ring, PLo8, etc.
I think it all comes back to 'why do you play poker'? For the fun and gamble of it, trying to make a big score here and there, nothing wrong with that. Just to have fun and play live with the boys, great. Me, I want to be one of those who comfortably make 40K-100K a year playing online. It seems there are alot of them. If you put in the hours, bonus whore out the wazzoo, practice good game selction and bankroll management, it doesnt really seem that the risk is even all that great. I plan to be home full time, playing online, and taking care of our new baby GIRL (we just found out today) come springtime. I dont think it is all that lofty of a goal. I think it is modestly simple to do.
What do you all think?
Good discussions boys...keep it up!!

How much?
 

How much have I said I won? I am up 600 over 1.5 years. I said that sucks. I admit it. Are you doubting that? LMAO! If I was gonna lie I would say I make TP money.

Tp!
 

Here is your chance man, 4 people on 30-60!! SCOUT!

BTW: DO I get anything for fucking long ass post of the month?

You get this:
"Thanks for starting this thread, Sir. It's generated lots of interesting discussion."

Congratulations. Try not to spend all of that quote in one place.

I believe Aeq was questioning the income you make from your day job, not your poker bankroll. He's saying (I believe) that he thinks pissing away $300 is not something that somone in your position (income bracket) should do.

I know you continue insist that $300 = $5 somehow, but I think even a young child who hasn't been taught basic mathematics could recognize that that isn't true if the money was placed in two piles in front of him.

I'll fire up Titan and watch a few hands now.

I only have $510 on Titan (my initial deposit plus the $10 the gave me for free), which is about half of what I'd want (minimum) to sit in the 30/60 game. It looked weak, so I sat down at 10/20 6 max to try to build my roll a bit (I could deposit more, but I simply don't want to).

The very first hand I played, I lost a big pot with AK vs some dork's A7o. I got him all in on the turn, which is when he spiked his miracle 7, of course.

So far, these guys are really bad (they seem to have absolutely no concept of hand selection, with family pots nearly every hand). Maybe I actually will play here a while... long enough to clear my deposit bonus, anyway. I wonder how fast I can earn it at this level.

After all, I need to make sure I have an adequate roll for our 30/60 game, Sir... For me, $300 just won't cut it... ;)

Nice
 

Well, at least you agree that with my skill level against these fools I have a chance (if I have a decent bankroll). lol. Or at the very least you agree this is a weak ass 30/60 land. It is something.

I make a mid 6-figure income. So not a freaking millionaire but I do fine.

For what it's worth, I can see now how losing $300 doesn't mean as much to you as it would to most people here. But I still see little to no difference between that money coming from your bank account or your poker account. It's still $300.

Of course, I can't help but wonder - does mid "six figure" mean midway between $100k and $200k, or does it mean midway between $100k and $1,000,000.

What do you do for a living (if you don't mind me asking)?

The game looked soft.... but that's all the more reason to have a decent bankroll for it. Short term variance will be high.

True
 

Between 100 and 200, closer to 200 .. but it varies. I am a computer consultant. I basically get hired out on 1-2 year projects making as much as I can! It has been good for me so far. Yeah, $300 does not mean much to me, but I like to keep my Gambooler account and my personal account seperate.

Anyway, the experiment is officially over. I did not score a big enough win in an MTT all week. Oh well. I am sure I will come up with something else..

One last thing..
 

I think this thread was cool. If for nothing else than for people to talk about what they beleive is a winning strategy. All good stuff. I can not argue.

I guess my problem is I am stuck in the middle. I know I could crush the 5/10 on Titan and it would be somewhat worthwhile money. I have played MUCH HARDER 5/10 competition. It is very passive here. Makes it easy to draw out and make money. Not alot of check-raising or trickyness at all. Hell, not much bluffing .. some people bluff alot, but most people play very passive, readable, poker.

However I do not want to put 2K online. That is a substantial amount of money for me, so I need to win my way back to 3K in order to play. Sometimes Poker drives me mad and I feel like doing crazy shit, other times I am pretty stable. Anyway, thanks to everyone who commented. Again, all good stuff.

but 300's not?


BTW I don't think this is an experiment so much as I think it's flushing money down the toilet, an experiment implies that it accomplishes something or would prove something which this certainly doesn't.

Well..
 

The question of the experiment was simple: Can one take $5-$15, win a small MTT, and turn that original capital investment into $1000 in a week. I guess the next question is can it be repeated.

I think it is worth asking. You risk minimal amounts of your capital bankroll so technically you are playing in the affordable range of your bankroll. While $300 on a 30/60 table, while way too little, is enough to find a hand or two and make $1000. It is not as hard as it might seem. Every pot is at least $400. It is not FLUSHING money away as everyone thinks. It may not be the optimal way to make money, but there is a very good chance of turning that $300 into $1K. I have done it before people. Call it lucky. But I have done it multiple times. It is not impossible. As a matter of fact, with the play I have watched and participated in, I would say it would be probably. The only chance it does not happen is if I get sucked out on.

You all have this awe of anyone playing 30/60. Grow up people. They are the same as you, they just have more cash. As a matter of fact I would put a bunch of you up against any of the players I have seen there, and if you did not wet your pants because you were so scared, I bet you would outplay them. There are sites where the 30/60 players are much better than you are. I would be scared myself if I was playing on those sites, but I am not. I am playing in some freaking retard Poker dream world where people try and catch there 2-outers all the time. I keep pinching myself and hoping they do not run out of money before I get some.

Anyway, the experiment is closed for now. I will let you know if I decide to try it again. Oh, and yeah I will say it again, $300 is not a huge amount of money.

Our very own Phil Helmuth. :rolleyes:

If this is true, then you should be depositing $2000 online into this site RIGHT NOW. Why do you need to wait to win a roll if these games are so bad? I have to imagine you've got that lying around somewhere with a close to 200K income.

You know...
 

Considering this very board just recently had a 'Build Your Bankroll' contest starting with $50 IIRC, I think a few people here are taking this a little too seriously.

Dont feel like it..
 

I like keeping Poker as a hobby. Trying to make some money at it, but not losing anything. I do not want to invest 2K into a hobby. It is better as a $200 once a year kind of thing. Either someday I win alot or I do not.. either way it stays a hobby this way.