Uh-oh! Somebody else is getting JJ'ed!
 

I usually refrain from posting links to other poker sites, but I just can't hold this one in, and there's too much to copy/paste.

This shit seems real, and I'm laughing my fucking ass off at Brian and all the other NL fanboys who have been riding ZeeJustin's nuts.

That's right! Your "boy" ZeeJustin! Whoop Whoop Whoop!

You know what?
 

It's been 15 minutes, and I'm still smiling about this! All the online fanboy heroes are frauds!

this is crazy, awesome that party is actually all over this - obv. no1 ever thought they would do a thing about it.

This weekend's the weekend to playing the big MTTs! Of course, the usually 5000+ entries may be down with all these multi-account holders not playing :)

What surprises me the most is how stupid these guys went about it. You'd think that they would set up some proxies for this to get some different IP addresses, instead of just red flagging themselves and saying "LOOK AT ME! OVER HERE!"

this is great. I still can't believe that a few people over at 2+2 are defending them, at least in saying that they shouldn't have all the money in each account taken. Take it all, give those affected a refund, with the rest have a "cheater free" freeroll.

That's hilarious! The really funny thing is, when I read his website yesterday, he mentioned he was going to be eight tabling sng's but not under his ZeeJustin account. Then he stated he doesn't want to give out the account name he'll be playing under because he's not sure if Party is ok with him having another account, (or six) lol. Then he said "So, if you see somebody eight tabling that's from Sherman Oaks, it's probably me." LOL>

I just went to his website to copy and paste what he said, but it looks like he removed it, lmao. Hmmmm, I thought ZeeJustin was smart. I can almost guarantee that is what started the investigation.

I'm quite sad that people like this are better at poker than me

they HAVE to take all the money
 

I can't believe it either - they HAVE to take all the money or its no deterrent. I dont see how people don't get that?

If the only thing that they took was money won by the proven cheating (i.e. a tourney hit) - then they would have nothing to lose. Worst case - you get caught and you just lose what you wouldnt have won anyway. They have to clean out every penny of all accounts to send a message.

If someone is caught stealing - you dont just take back what they stole and call it even. You punish them - which serves as a deterrent to others.

Agreed...People would just keep playing and playing under new names if all that would happen would be that the money they won from tourney win was taken....you have to take it all so that others wont do it.....i bet we have a few multi-accounters cashing out here soon before they get caught.....

The link at the top of this thread is entertaining. My favorite so far is a high and mighty 2+2er misusing schadenfreude. And I don’t even speak german.

These young guns are exceptional players. But did their apparent lack of ethics result from being too successful too young? Clearly dropping out of school (high school or college) and playing poker was the better decision financially, but maybe they should have taken some time and spent some money on private education, akin to what young actors do when they achieve stardom and leave school (the smart ones at least).

Before internet, young poker players had to come up in the B&M card rooms. The last world-class players to do this are Ivey and Negreanu, maybe? I can’t imagine either of these players doing something like this, possibly because they were older-mid 20s-before they became hugely successful.

Now I don’t mean to suggest all young internet successful pros are cheaters, just that they need to be careful . They are getting poker experience at an unprecedented rate. In the BM days, poker experience and maturity were on a similar timescale. Not anymore. I don't know how they should deal with this discrepancy though.

+EV for Party?
 

Elsewhere on 2+2, Zee confirms it is true, and offers a defense, denying any colluding or chip dumping.

What I wonder about – and assume Party must have considered – is what financial impact this crackdown will have. They've seized at least $140k in the past few days from a couple of very high profile players. They'll redistribute a portion (how much?) of that, but I have to imagine that Party will end up keeping a good chunk of it. On the other hand, they'll lose any future rake generated from these players, which is likely to be considerable.

Meanwhile, anyone else who has multiple accounts will immediately pull as much cash out as fast as they can. Will increased player confidence from the rest of the poker community make up for or exceed this?

It's nice to think that Party took this action because it was the right thing to do, but I'm sure these factors were a consideration as well.

u got a link?

Here's one.

I wish I could think of some clever way to make fun of ZeeJackass's statement, but alas, even I am at a loss for words due to the sheer stupidity of it.

JJ and Zee really showed their immaturity in both of these scenarios. I can see why "outside" people think online poker/gambling is bad. Look at these fucking kids.

I read somewhere that JJ is 26. :confused:

Perhaps a little immature for his age.

LOL. I was just going to edit my original post to say "immature" and I saw this. I think I'll do it anyway.

But, he's not 26, is he?

JJ was 16 when he started, at the oldest hes 18 now.

Wasn't quite sure where I read it, so did some searching till I found the link to it.



Click on the myspace link on that post.

There is where I read he was 26 years of age.

edit: read a little more of JJ's myspace and he's either really really immature or is lying about his age.

Either that or he's REALLY REALLY stupid as his myspace also has him not having graduated high school yet (I *think*, without bothering to go back and check, it said 2008)

Just read that.

Here's another post from a different forum wishing him happy birthday.

happy birthday jjprodigy!
by gbmantis on 1/2/2006 13:09


jj=21 today..

wsop watch out

Could it be possible he's still under 18? If he is underage that would explain why he didn't cash out his money.

No shit. That statement is pathetic. It makes me sad to think that he worked hard on to produce it. Why are these kids trying to rediscover the wheel? The old equation is just fine.

Too much money + immaturity = hookers and cocaine.

Get it right.

Re: General Discussion: To answer the question on everybody's mind ...
 

What was it you said you'd spend your $365 mil on again, Boobie??

Ah, that's right ...

"Hookers and blow of course."

:D

The simple matter is cheating always has and always will exist. In the old days he would have been shot. These days he just gets his acounts blocked and his money confinscated...oh how the times have changed.......

Someone posted the MySpace link on another poker forum a few days ago.

It said "16" and had the graduation date of a wouldbe 17~ yo. A few hours after the thread was started, people noticed that some of the information was taken down and some changed.

*shrug*

as in the previous case, kudos to party and just wondering if stars might do some investigating too?

methinks not...too large of a bubble just might burst in the process and no amount of raymer and hachem commercials will be able to fix that.

ok
 

dont laugh at me it wasnt my money they took, I check Justin's website because he is a better player then me and hopes to maybe improve myself. I dont follow him around like others but think what you will shabi.

As for him getting caught GOOD im glad they caught a cheater.

Wow.... this is really something.

Amazing how stupid some of these kid geniuses are, isn't it? Well, maybe stupid isn't the word. I think "greedy" is probably a better one.

Glad to see Party finally cracking down. I know some people think this will lead to an increase in cheating somehow (see bunny's post from a few days ago), but I maintain that this will DETER cheating in the future... it will certainly slow it down if nothing else.

After all the JJProdigy hoopla, I can't believe ZJ (who is VERY bright and one hell of a player, I might add), wouldn't close all his fake accounts immediately, but rather continued to violate Party's Terms and Conditions.

When all is ssaid and done, he's lost all the money in all of those accounts, including his PPM Cruise Entry, and he's not allowed to play on Party ever again - MTTs, SNGs, Cash games... nada. Talk about -EV.

"Talk about -EV." -Nicely put.

From Lee Jones (Pokerstars Manager)

Hi folks -

We did our own review of ZeeJustin and unfortunately, found that he'd been playing multiple accounts in several tournaments at PokerStars.

* We confiscated the money that he won illicitly.

* We closed his accounts and banned him from PokerStars.

* We are returning the money he won illicitly to players who were harmed by his actions in those same tournaments.

Obviously, we don't like doing this, but the evidence was incontrovertible. We will do whatever it takes to keep our games and tournaments clean.

Best regards,
Lee Jones

PokerStars Poker Room Manager

Holy crap. Where was that posted? 2+2?

ZJ seems like a good guy, for the most part, so this statement is nothing personal against him.... but.....

I'm glad to see the poker sites are (finally) cracking down on the cheaters. This whole thing is just crazy.

JD - I know you never play them at the same time (I don't think you even use the old account any more), but if I were you, I would contact Stars and have them close your old account. Just to be safe.

Actually, as I recall, that account was your Dad's, maybe, so hopefully you have nothing to worry about.

I did contact them, they were cool with it - since i never have / never will play them both at once.
I told them they could close the old one but they said its fine - as long as they remain to never be on at the same time.

Good to know. Thanks for the info.

What I find strange about these latest findings on PP and PS is that they found out and did something about these players after big wins, I can recall rejoining Pstars a couple of years ago after being fed up with my username and wanting to change it.

Within a couple of hours Pstars e-mailed me telling me to stop using my new set up account, I like Pstars but I feel they have a huge list of players with multipull accounts and are waiting to collect from these players but only when it suits them.

I like whats happening and know its for the good of online poker, but even I know that this has been going on for a long time online and with the rewards raising all the time players colluding is always going to happen.

I have heard a ring of players in the uk upto 20 of them that enter big games either tournies or cash and comunicate by confference call at 5p an hour the phone lines are always connected and the single cash player doesnt stand a chance against these type of players.

I feel we are going to hear more players banned and very soon.

kudos to stars too!

i stand corrected and happily so. :)

ZJ posted a response on pocket5

The logic with which he explains away what he did and how Party is the one doing him wrong is astounding.

Is it any different than the link bunny posted to his response on 2+2? Or just the same thing?

I'll be intersted to see what he has to say about Stars shutting him down too.

Same thing

'denial' is not just a river in egypt, as the saying goes... :D

I never saw a source on the stars banning. JD? I looked at some other sites and couldn't find anything.

It's in the main thread that's linked up above on 2+2. Lee responded.

God these people are thick. Well, maybe clever in some minds, but if they are not thick, they are greedy. They have a huge bankroll. Justins been playing in the EPT, i saw him (im assuming he is "Justin Bonomo"? 18 years old, looks similar enough).

WHy do it? all good players who make money from poker dont feel the need to enter a tourney 5 times.

If only all sites were goverend by the same people, then robbing bastards wouldnt try and take money, jackasses

JJ not JD.

LOL. He was asking JD for the source or a link, not implicating him.

Blonde moment. Happens.