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PShabi 08-27-06 08:32 PM

Too good to be true; Got Neteller Money?
 


This all over the place at 2+2. Apparently, this deal isn't going to go on forever, so if you have Neteller money, get it moving.

The only thing I'm worried about is my license, credit cards, and residence all have different addresses associated with them due to my laziness. Still might do it anyway.

Boobie Lover 08-27-06 08:47 PM

Wow, hopefully this works out.

melioris 08-27-06 09:25 PM

are they trying some version of a google bomb to manipulate the spread or something?

PShabi 08-27-06 09:42 PM

Beats the shit out of me, but I've got $1100 on Pittsburgh at +5. $1000 freeroll baby! This is the first time I'm going to care about a football that the Bears aren't playing in during my lifetime!

My noob ass almost placed the bet on Miami accidentally. That would've sucked.

Also, I contacted live support asking questions so many times in the last 30 minutes, that when I got them for the last time, to confirm the bet and that it was covered, they responded with:

"Hello again."

Talking Poker 08-27-06 10:31 PM

What's that thing people always say about if something sounds too good to be true.............?

I haven't even looked at this yet - just saying.

PShabi 08-27-06 10:34 PM

Yeah, and rakefree at WPEX was too good to be true a few months ago too. It draws in business. Plus, I've got live chat support dialogues emailed to me covering my ass. They did this during the World Cup and the bet was a loser. Everyone got the money back.

Talking Poker 08-27-06 11:10 PM

Don't get me wrong - I'll definitely look into it and probably do it.... just saying.

PShabi 08-28-06 12:24 AM

I wouldn't drag the feet homey. That's liable to be pulled down anytime, and it's within their T&C to do so. It's being spammed everywhere.

Lucky for me, I had $1700 that I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT in Neteller!!!!

lightfungus 08-28-06 12:36 AM

I found a 5 dollar bill in my car seat I was pretty stoked about...:(

Talking Poker 08-28-06 01:22 AM

Why don't I see anything on Mansion's site about this? I made an account and made a deposit, but it sure seems to me like I'm just placing a bet. Where are he "terms" you are talking about? Or is it too late already???

PShabi 08-28-06 01:26 AM

I didn't see it either. I questioned it on 2p2 and people were like, I don't know how you missed it, but again, I didn't see any advertisement. I asked live chat support if it was indeed an running promotion and the answer was yes.

I suggest you do the same.

PShabi 08-28-06 01:28 AM

Here:



in the middle and on the right

Now go get it!

Halo7 08-28-06 01:32 AM

Heya all, glad you like my guide. Too see all of the details on Mansions site, just click on Home then it is right on the front page under "Sportsbook Promotion". If you still don't see it there, click on the Promotions link under the Navigation bar on the left hand side of the page and it should be right at the top.

Halo7

Talking Poker 08-28-06 01:32 AM

Found it. Straight from Mansion's site:

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Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 Superbowl Champs Promotion
Simply visit the MANSION Sportsbook and place a minimum Point Spread (Handicap) bet of USD 1,100 to win USD 1,000 (or currency equivalent) on the Pittsburgh Steelers for their game on Thursday 7 Sep 2006. (00:30 GMT 8 Sep 2006)
If your bet is not a winner, MANSION will refund your losses of USD 1,100 (or currency equivalent).
This deal is too good to miss. There’s no better way to kick off the NFL season and no better place than at MANSION.

Talking Poker 08-28-06 01:36 AM

Done.. and done!

Now... the only question that remins is if I should hedge my bet or not elsewhere.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ I actually like the Steelers minus 5. I may freeroll this one and hope for the best.

I wonder what Penguin thinks of this???

PShabi 08-28-06 01:37 AM

If that is your guide, thanks a lot for making it. Helped a lot.

PShabi 08-28-06 01:38 AM

Hedging is for pussies on this one man. No hedge here.

Boobie Lover 08-28-06 01:43 AM

No hedging here either.

Talking Poker 08-28-06 01:43 AM

hehe... Goooooooooooo Steelers!!!

And yeah, nice guide, Halo7. I take it you noticd some referrals coming from here?

It's a shame I didn't have a little more notice or I would have gotten my own Mansion affiliate links up and running first (I actually am an affiliate). Your guide was helpful enough though that I don't mind you getting a little somethin somethin from me for your troubles. :)

Windbreaker 08-28-06 01:53 AM

I'm not sure if you consider this span or not TP, but if you do, then just take it down...I don't have an affiliate link or anything (maybe you can get an affiliate account with them.....), but for those who want to hedge their bets....you can either do a sign up bonus at sports betting sites, or at , you can get a 25% bonus on your first WINNING wager over $100 dollars up to a maximum bonus of $100.

So for those hedging... if you put about $400 on Miami at Superbook....you'll either profit ~600 if Steelers cover, or get about $500 if Miami can beat the spread.

Either way, it's very important for ppl heding to make sure the spread covers your action both ways.

Eg. Mansons spread is Pittsburgh -5. If the spread is Miami +4.5 for your hedge ....you're going to be out the money you bet on Miami if Pittsburgh wins by exactly 5....but if Miami is -5.5, then you will win money no matter what happens.

Talking Poker 08-28-06 02:13 AM

Good tip. And no worries about the SPAM. If I hedge my bet, it will be at my usual Sports Betting site (10 years and counting now!):

Halo7 08-28-06 02:16 AM


Hehe, thanks every little bit helps :) I somewhat obsess about my visitors and use the coolest real time solution on the market ( ). It tells me everything about visitors in real time and is cool to boot. When I saw a couple of folks coming from this thread, I popped over to see make sure it was all good things being said LOL.

Nice site yourself BTW.

Halo7

JDMcNugent7 08-28-06 02:17 AM

this is crazy.
if 10k ppl do this and pittsburgh wins they just lost 11 million. (and that could easily happen)
it doesnt seem like this promo would generate an extra $11 mill.

GeoffM 08-28-06 11:57 AM

Is this Mansion Casino trustworthy? What is to stop it from taking all the bets, then promptly closing the site down and making off with the $11 million as mentioned above?

Tony Cheval 08-28-06 12:18 PM

...I dunno, has eejit ever mentioned running a casino site?

GeoffM 08-28-06 12:53 PM

Well, I'm doing it. Be nice to see Caulpepper get injured and miss week 1 now, but I suspect they may pull the plug on this promo if that happened.

GeoffM 08-28-06 12:54 PM

Shabi, they only need your cc info if you deposit by cc.

GeoffM 08-28-06 01:21 PM

You boys should have waited, the line is now -4.5 :D .

MANSION Sammy:
Hello, I am just opened and account and made an $1,100 deposit. I am trying to
do the Pittsburgh Steelers promotion but when I went to place my bet, I noticed
that the line has changed to -4.5. Could you please help me place my bet
correctly.

MANSION Sammy:
Hello

GeoffM:
Hi SAmmy

MANSION Sammy:
You need to place your bet online

GeoffM:
I know, I am logged in now, but the line shows -4.5, and the terms show that it
should be -5

GeoffM:
Hello?

MANSION Sammy:
As long as you bet the minimum amount of $1100 on the SPORTSBOOK

GeoffM:
I am prepared to do that, but I was told the line should be -5, not -4.5

MANSION Sammy:
Where were you told this

MANSION Sammy:
Please see the following Simply visit the MANSION Sportsbook and place a minimum
Point Spread (Handicap) bet of USD 1,100 to win USD 1,000 (or currency
equivalent) on the Pittsburgh Steelers for their game on Thursday 7 Sep 2006.
(00:30 GMT 8 Sep 2006)

If your bet is not a winner, MANSION will refund your losses of USD 1,100 (or
currency equivalent).

GeoffM:
Hmm, ok, perhaps my friend just got the line at -5, so I guess I still qualify
for this promotion?

MANSION Sammy:
Yes as long as you bet the minimum amount of $1100 on the SPORTSBOOK

MANSION Sammy:
OK

GeoffM:
Ok, thank you very much, I will be betting $1,100 on the Steelers, thanks a lot
Sammy!

MANSION Sammy:
No probs Thank you ;-)

Visitor GeoffM has ended the chat

lightfungus 08-28-06 01:36 PM

It seems to be up still, but I am still nervous...it would be a huge chunk of money for me. Can we cash out the winnings immediately?

JDMcNugent7 08-28-06 01:42 PM

just got it in at -4.5
solid.

JDMcNugent7 08-28-06 01:43 PM

no apparently u need to scan and send them copy of drivers license and all that and can take up to 5 days.

GeoffM 08-28-06 02:25 PM

I did a good amount of looking up, and my buddy who bets an insane amount of money on books took a look and it looks 110% legitimate. I'd throw down your money soon if you'll be doing it, they won't be offering this if the line falls much further.

Penguinfan 08-28-06 03:09 PM

The offer is legit. The would do this for a couple reasons, the only thing I can't figure out is why they want action all on one side of the game instead of letting you choose.

First of all it is pretty standard practice that offshore places are willing to pay(via incentives, finders fees, refer-a-friend, etc...) about $400 to aquire a new player. They are over-paying almost 3x here, not out of the question, but definatly a premium.

Second, I saw this posted elsewhere and when looking into it the concensus was there will be a 4x rollover required to withdraw ANY funds, even your original deposit, meaning you will have to make $8000 in wagers before you can get a penny of the money, again, even your deposit.

If you bet $100 80 times and go .500 you will have $1600 of your $2000, IF YOU GO .500, most people can't. You deposited $1100 and are up $500, again they are willing to pay $400 to aquire new business so that's at least reasonable.

If you lose the bet and they give you a BONUS $1000 that you have to rollover 4x and go .500 you will have $800 of your money left.

It's a great deal and one I will probably get hooked into, but it's not exactly free money, so be careful.

If anyone needs to correct my above math please do as I am typing this as I think it out. If my math is wrong (figure in the 10% juice by the way) then this may be a better deal than it looked like.

Windbreaker 08-28-06 03:22 PM

I don't see any terms and conditions regarding any rollover amount. From what I've read it's a straight up bet....you win, you can cash out...no roll over requirements at all.

Is there a link to the conditons you refer to?

Penguinfan 08-28-06 03:29 PM

In their normal T&C it gives the GENERAL details of "Bonus" money, which several people seem to think this will fall under.

Hope I am wrong and this is just a huge draw for them, expensive, but probably still worth it in the long run.

Couldn't they have done the same promotion for a smaller amount and still got the same reaction, or more considering some people wouldn't put up a grand just in case?

I got a couple people looking into this right now and will post again when I hear anything.

MAYHEM45 08-28-06 03:45 PM

Im gonna wait till you find this out before I do anything.

GeoffM 08-28-06 03:48 PM

Here are the terms and conditions, right off the promotion page, and there doesn't appear to be any rollover requirements:

This offer applies to bets placed on MANSION Sportsbook only and is limited to the team and selection specified. Bets placed on MANSION Sports Exchange will not qualify.

To qualify, Players must place a single Points Spread (Handicap) bet of USD 1,100 on Pittsburgh Steelers for their game on 7 Sep 2006

This offer is only available on the first bet placed for this event

To qualify for this promotion you must be 18 years of age or over and have agreed to the MANSION terms & conditions.

The promotion is valid from 25 Aug 2006.

All refunds will be placed into Member accounts within 3 working days of the result.

All personal information provided to MANSION must be complete and accurate in all respects and we reserve the right to request additional information in order to satisfy our validation of this information.

Only one refund is allowed for each MANSION Member, residential address, email address, telephone number, debit/credit card or NETeller account number and shared computer. The refund applies exclusively to the first account opened in the event multiple accounts are opened.

MANSION may at our sole discretion limit the eligibility of customers to participate in any promotion or bonus offer.

MANSION reserves the right to withdraw or amend this offer at any time without prior notice.

All decisions made by MANSION regarding this promotion shall be deemed final.

The withdrawal of any promotion funds will be subject to MANSION withdrawal policy.

Offer is valid for limited time period only.

Players that bet both sides of the event with MANSION will not be eligible for a loss refund.

GeoffM 08-28-06 03:51 PM

Shabi, post your chat here, or fire me a PM if you don't want to post it.

Penguinfan 08-28-06 03:53 PM

What does it say in these T&C's exactly about bonus money, which this will be considered? I'm asking, I honestly don't know.

GeoffM 08-28-06 04:02 PM

I can't find a definition of bonus money. After years of whoring poker bonuses, I must say this looks like the shit :thumbsup: .

Penguinfan 08-28-06 04:04 PM

Without hearing from anyone I know, and been down the road of shaky bonuses in the past I have to say I honestly don't see anything that looks out of line here.

FWIW

Penguinfan 08-28-06 04:18 PM

Just heard back from someone who said they ran a promotion like this before and paid out the money no questions asked.

Only scenario I can think of is they are willing to pay $100 to get a new player, and one's with $1000 laying around, so all they have to do is lay off the bet on another, or several other books by taking Pittsburgh for whatever amount they are potentially stuck.

They lose the Juice only if Miami covers, but pick up a ton of new accounts.

GeoffM 08-28-06 04:18 PM

See, the beauty of it is this "technically" isn't a bonus offer. A bonus offer would be "X% up to $X of your initial deposit, X rollover". Here, it is a straight up bet, you win, you win, you lose, they refund the loss. I like. Just hope Roethlisberger stays off a motorcycle until after week 1.

Talking Poker 08-28-06 04:30 PM

This is exactly what I thought it must be. It would make more sense for them to let you bet either side, but I guess they are just going to see what the total comes out to and lay the whole thing off elsewhere. Makes sense. It's a great way to get relatively high rollers in the door for $100 a piece.

Sucks that the line has moved a half point already.

GeoffM 08-28-06 04:33 PM

I'd hardly call myself a high roller LOL. Sure, I had the money kicking around in neteller, but I am far from that. If this comes through, I will likely take the girlfriend out for a really nice night on the town.

Penguinfan 08-28-06 04:49 PM

The only potential downside I see for the player is if you were gonna hedge you better do it quicky, if they start laying this money off on other books it COULD affect the line and the very last thing you want to do is get "Middled" in the deal, even though 5 is not a number to really be worried about it could still happen.

Talking Poker 08-28-06 05:02 PM

Im not planning on hedging it (Intertops doesn't even have the game available to bet on yet), but I understand what you are saying.

PShabi 08-28-06 06:50 PM

What's the age requirement? Can't be 18. Somebody do it for you?

PShabi 08-28-06 06:55 PM

All of the questions are here are more than covered by experienced sports bettors at 2+2. Go to the sports betting forum and see the mansion thread. I don't want to rehash it. There are chat transcripts posted there and what not. All confirming that:

1) The deal is legit
2) You can cash out right away with proper ID.
3) An offer like this was made during the world cup and it lost. All money was refunded as promised.

Anybody who has the money and doesn't do this is dumber than Brian and eejit combined.

GeoffM 08-28-06 07:48 PM

No, requirements were indeed 18. So JD is in line to win 1 BB :D


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