Playing when a flush comes on the turn
 

This post is in response to the last post, asking how youd deal with drawing hands.

It seemed alot of people considered flush draws to not be very profitable, since the flush possibility is so obviously seen. I tend to lean the other direction however and have a few scenarios in which I would like input on

two limpers, you call from the SB with Ks Jc ,the BB checks. (we'll put blinds at 1 2 just for easy math)

The flop comes 2h 3h Jd. You fire a bet of 5 dollars into this pot, the BB and first limper fold. The second limper calls.

The turn comes 8h. Do you check here? if so do you call a medium size bet (say 9 dollars). If not how much do you bet out?

If you check and he checks back, and the river brings a blank, would you either lead out or check/call a medium bet?

Personally, I dont think I would check the turn, because I dont wanna risk giving a free 4th heart to hit the board. If I am raised, I will reevaluate and then come to a decision.

If I did check the turn, and he bet, I'd probably either check raise (representing the flush) or call if the bet was smallish

If he checks back on the turn, If I dont lead out on the river, I will at least be in check/call mode if a blank hits (to a reasonable bet)

Theres my thinking ---- and the reason that I believe flush draws to still be profitable, just not being able to drag in MONSTER pots.

Would you guys play these situations different? Lets hear it....

i absolutely bet this turn. if i get raised back significantly i lay down the hand, as top pair good kicker on a flush draw just isnt worth going to war with.

if just called, and no 4-flush comes on the river, then i fire out again. again, if i am raised significantly then i will lay it down, but i am more inclined to make a call on the river as it will close out the action, and i dont have to worry about dodging a bullet on the river.

the bets that i would make on the turn and river would be reasonable size bets, roughly half pot or so. with roughly 16-18 in the pot after the flop, i would bet about 9 on the turn, and then about 15-20 on the river,which is a little more opponent dependent.

Its vital to bet the turn here, otherwise you'll have no idea where your at and could be giving free cards. So I would fire $9 (1/2 pot) on the turn, if you get raised though it's time to muck the hand. If you get called then check on the river, I would then fold to anything over $20 (close to 1/2 the pot) and call anything under.

I absolutely agree with this thinking. I would play it the same way... the river would be opponent specific --- regardless even if i didnt fire, id check call a reasonable bet though.

THIS is why I believe flush draws to still be profitable.... look how much "Bob" just made off of me with his flush.... (uh oh, im not a fish right????? :confused: :D )

How do others play this?

This is also dead accurate IMO in a good way to deal with this situation.

There is also the pre-emptive bet on the river. Checking the river opens things way up for your opponent to hammer the pot in a bluff. If you're willing to call a lower bet on the river, why not strike first? You have a decent chance of it representing a value-bet bluff and could take it down right there.

I'm not a big fan of the river bet. I don't think that their are many hands that would have called to this point that would fold to a bet on the river. I also can't think of many hands that would bluff the river, QJ and J10 are both probably content to simply check behind.

This is pretty much how I play this too...

I don't get it. Why bet the river?

This is one of those situations where you don't ALWAYS play it the same way, but I do typically like making the small bet on the river. You probably have the best hand, so it's a value bet. Also, if he has a hand that beats you (like two pair or a baby flush), I think he's more likely to just call your bet here than he is to raise you with something less than the nuts. So YOU get to decide the amount you are willing to invest on the river, instead of checking and letting him decide. In other words, if you are willing to call $18 on the end, why not go ahead and bet it yourself? There is a small chance he will fold a better hand than yours, but more importantly, it's a deterrant. You're not showing weakness, which he may pounce on with a hand WORSE than yours, forcing you to fold the winner. And there are a number of hands here worse than yours that will pay you off.

I like making a smallish bet on the end sometimes... in NL. In limit, I check and call this 100% of the time.

Great post.

Badblood hit it on the head too. In the past, I put myself into some tough situations by checking on the river. I'm thinking back to a hand right now that is pissing me as I type!!!!!!!!!!

As soon as I laid down to his bet I could tell by his reaction that he pushed me off the best hand and I still think about it a year later.

So based on the responses here, which were similiar opinions to the way I would play this situation..... it just shows that flush draws can and do pay off even though they are obvious

This being said, why do so many people seem to be laying down these drawing hands to medium bets, stating that the draw is obvious and it cant pay off

Everyone who responded here (myself included) would pay the flush off in some fashion

PS: TP still waiting on your "I'll respond later" response to the original post dealing with this :D

When your flush hits on the turn, if it is the nuts. its definitely a check or small bet to keep your player in the hand. However do not give away your hand. I would probably bet a low flush strong and see if someone chases a higher flush. When it hits on the turn CHECK OR BET A SMALL AMOUNT to keep the player in the pot!

yeh def theres nothing worse then overbetting and revealing ur hand after you've slow played it. however as has bin said earlier theres certain ways to bet the river, if theres just the 2 of u left, uv hit ur hand and have put ur opponant on a lesser hand, a small bet say 15-20% of the pot will intice ur opponent. Of course if he has position on u he could always overbet in which case id raise or push all in

The move..
 

If your the guy with the flush draw, do you get paid off more often if you lets say re-raise the flop and act weak when your flush hits the turn? Disguise your hand? I have seen this work sometimes, and people try to bluff me off the nut flush and I take there entire stack.. I have also seen this backfire when a smart player re-raises me and I can not call.. Any idea's?

flush it down the toliet
 

dont mess with the flush it will kick you in the pants so hard you wont be playing for another week if you even think of playing that your stupid

yeah flushes are by far the worst hand to get involved with...every one seems to get them, and often