Every casino I play in they wait to put the player's cards in the muck before they place the board there. If the player's cards haven't touched the muck and the casino's rules are cards read the the J wins. I saw a guy stacking the chips in with his when the dealer realized that the guy was an idiot and had a flush. The casino had to count down the hand to transfer the chips from one guy to the other, it was a mess.
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