[stormswa]

thanks BB these were kind of the reasoning posts I wanted to see to weigh the benifits of pushing vs. standard raising. I think in the games I usually play the $4 180s I believe standard raising is better because the blinds have a tendency to shove their Ax hands thinking you are trying to steal. But of course also like you said shoving could be great too because they might overcall their weak Ax and Kx hands thinking you are stealing. I guess there is no real clear cut answer for this one.