10 person sit and go's

bdawg31 · #1 10-15-04, 12:57 AM

What are everyone's thoughts on the 10 person Sit and Go's? There seems to be a great deal of luck involved in these - are people having any long-term success at them?

Aequitas58 · #2 10-15-04, 01:00 AM

They are my bread and butter. Came on here just after placing 2nd in a 20+2. They are good tournaments. Fast, blinds climb rapidly... forces play in certain situations.

I like them.

Penguinfan · #3 10-15-04, 01:26 PM

I think they are beatable, but I have to work on my strategy, currently I play super-super tight in the early rounds where you can't win much by stealing the blinds, whats the point in raising 100 with 10-10, if you get everyone to fold you pick up 25 chips which will not help you much, if at all in the long run, if you get called what do you do when an ovecard falls and you get bet into? Folding at that point really hurts you as you have given up 100 of a beginning stack of 800 (party), and that puts you behind from the go. So like I said I think ultra tight is the way to go since you can't really win much early, but you can lose way too much, the risk/reward factor just isn't there. Having said that I know I am having trouble knowing when to change modes as I am rarely in a position to have alot of chips when it get to 5-6 people left and find that 1 mistake usually ends my chances of cashing. I think the super tight strategy works simply because I have seen people on disconnect finsh 4th alot and in 2 occasions they finished 2nd and 3rd, now obviously that won't work as a strategy in every game, but it's worth noting.

I would like to hear how you guys who are sucessful at theses games so it.

Penguinfan

bdubbers · #4 10-15-04, 04:44 PM

I've had a bit of success in them, but not consistant. i try to play really tight at the beginning, but the only time i finish in the money is if i catch a good hand in the early going(first 2 or 3 people going out) and i win big. otherwise my tight play seems to get me behind when there are 5 or 6 people left and i usually end up finishing 4th or 5th. i do better at ring games multi tournaments.

2Tone · #5 10-15-04, 04:49 PM

These make up a good portion of my play. I play everything from the $5+1 to $30+3 at Party. My favorite is $10+1, where you aren’t paying a 20% rake, but the play is still relatively soft. At the lower dollar levels, if you sit tight for the first round, you'll often find at least a couple of maniacs have wiped each other out with early all-in bets.

I find the key is being able to adjust aggression levels based on how many players are left, which is a part of my game that I know needs fine-tuning.

bdubbers · #6 10-15-04, 04:59 PM

at what point do you stop playing tight and start being more aggressive. just when you think the "maniacs" have killed eachother off? whenever i lose in these it seems i start tight then when its time to make a move i start getting cold cards and by the time i get something to play the blinds have passed me a few times and im looking at a 1 to 3 chip disadvantage. maybe i'm making my move too late?

2Tone · #7 10-15-04, 06:38 PM

At risk of making myself out to be far more on an expert than I actually am ...

For me, it is less a matter of "Oh, now there are five players left and blinds have gone up, time to throw the aggressive switch" and more of a gradual progression from very-tight at the beginning to (hopefully) stealing blinds left and right in heads up play. Perhaps think of it of increasing in 10% increments for each player that is knocked out.

One other observations. I find play changes noticeably as you get to within one/two/three players of the money, depending on size of the field. No one wants to have played for that long, and end up with nothing so close to the promised land. This can be a prime time to make some moves -- with the obvious caveat that if these go wrong, it can be you who ends up finishing so close but yet so far!

Aequitas58 · #8 10-19-04, 12:55 AM

Exactly. Tight in the beginning and loose/aggressive at the end.

Charlie Frank · #9 10-19-04, 01:20 PM

Tight/aggressive at the start - getting looser but staying aggresive as it progresses. I usually go hyper-aggressive around level 5 on Party.

CF

Tilter · #10 10-22-04, 03:42 PM

SNGS are great as you can home your shorthanded game/final table game so you know what to do under certain situations.

Defendant · #11 10-24-04, 06:58 AM

I agree with the general notion of playing tight early, but there is one big downside to this.

Assuming Party, its so much cheaper to play suited connectors or low pairs early...it only costs you 15 in an unraised pot. You know, those hit or miss kind of hands: flop it and win a huge pot, or miss the flop and fold cheaply. You know youre gonna get paid off, so might as well play those hands while theyre cheap.

Thus, my strategy usually is to play tight AFTER the flop, not so much before the flop (still shouldnt call any raises with those hands though).

Defendant

GeoffM · #12 10-25-04, 08:45 AM

You can make the final four of these sit-n-gos simply by playing extremely tight, and hypothetically folding every single hand, regardless what it is.

Luck does not become a huge factor until it is down to 4 players, that is when they become tougher. None the less, in order to make money, you have to make the final four. Just play extremely tight, play only the big 10 hands, and you'll do just fine. If you are playing the lower limits like me you should be able to cash about 80-90% of the time.