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I left a post on the rigged theory and you left me -rep and called me a retard. So get on board my Short bus
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Haven't "waded" yet, but if this is true, it's the end of Absolute.
OOPS! Idiots. |
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Can someone with a little time please summarize this for our forum?
Specifically: -What's the "proof?" -Why would Seif make it obvious and risk everything after being a loser for however long? Why not use it sparingly and be a modest winner for the past (and many future) months? -Has Absolute responded? Thanks to anyone who digs through all that. I'm off to watch some football before today's WCOOP. |
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ap is the gayest poker site on the face of the earth.
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This seems to mostly stem from some anecdotal "evidence", a few HH's and a PT screenshot.
There's a player that has some pretty strange numbers over a 500 hand sample (from the screenshot). The basis for condemnation here is that over this sample the guy is way ahead, playing a lot of hands and has a river AF of infinity (which means that he never calls a river bet - at least that's what's been posted). The anecdotal evidence along with the HH's seem to indicate that he always folds the river when behind and bets/raises when ahead including some really strange calls (but why else would they be posted). I don't think it's anything a really bad wouldn't do and the play on the other side sucks too - so... It's unclear as to whether the player in question is actually seif or not. Seif is mentioned in the early posts, but then never again. Personally I find it hard to believe that any poker pro would be stupid enough to cheat in an obvious fashion. I have no doubt that many would cheat if they could, but I think they're smart enough to be subtle about it. As for the rest of it - I see no real proof that anything nefarious is going on. Further, there's definitely no evidence that the site itself is at fault or that it's been hacked or has a backdoor to allow someone to see all the hole cards. There may be suspicious behaviour here, but it could just be some nut running good or perhaps his opponents have downloaded some kind of virus that allows him to see their cards (this is perhaps more plausible than the site having a backdoor that was hacked). The only final weird thing that I just saw is this: potripper's pokerdb: Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings 9/12/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 1 98 $30,000.00 7/5/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 234 234 — 7/5/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 140 148 — That's pretty strange, of course I can't verify that anything I've read is actually true at all. I think the hype level went way up this because 2+2 moved the original thread to the mod forum so no one could see it - I think they've released all the posts by now though. I got most of this information from the FCP forum which is outquoting sections of the 2+2 thread. |
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ty de-coder. +Rep for the summary.
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I didn't read all the 2+2 thread, as I said I got most of the info from the FCP thread on the topic (as far as I know it's never been closed or modified by moderators). As for hands - I looked at a number of samples that were posted (including the ones you referenced and others), but 2 points: 1) I can look through my PT and find a bunch of weird calls and bad plays too (there's even a good sample in the hand discussion forum here)... That isn't really evidence. I did look at the 3 hands in the link you posted, but they don't prove anything other than none of these people play very well. 2) as I stated, I'm unable to verify whether these things are true or not. My view is that there isn't enough actual, verifiable, evidence to prove whether AB was hacked or whether someone (or some group of people) have access to all the hole cards. Some people have chosen to cash out of AB, others haven't. I don't, and haven't ever, played there. If you play there and this makes you uncomfortable, which is certainly a valid view, then stop. This is the kind of thing that get all the conspiracy theorists worked up into a frenzy, particularly since 2+2 seemed to close the topic to the public for a short time (but that isn't evidence either). FYI - I have sent an email to AB, with links to several threads, and have requested comment. I'm not holding my breath on that though, but it will be interesting to see how much traction this story needs before they are forced to respond. FWIW, I've been unable to find any reference to these fraud reports on their website - but I'll keep an eye out. |
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Interesting
Lots to digest here, but so far, for me at least, I didn't find any smoking gun. It seems pretty easy to find plenty examples of bizarre hands at High-stakes heads up. (, anyone?)
Someone claiming to be from Absolute has denied everything (), and I'm inclined to believe him. A business (with the at least the potential to) make millions just has too much to lose by letting something like this happen. Then again, I wouldn't have believed Enron deliberately caused massive brown-outs in California either ...
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PokerStars Game #12067296948: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/15 - 04:16:08 (ET)
Table 'Miriam IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Luckycharm84 ($190.60 in chips) Seat 2: kjell_morten ($576 in chips) Seat 3: floes ($600 in chips) Seat 4: jen&jes ($578.10 in chips) Seat 5: Raidan909 ($621 in chips) Seat 6: hook2120 ($690.20 in chips) kjell_morten: posts small blind $3 floes: posts big blind $6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Raidan909 [2d Jh] jen&jes: calls $6 Raidan909: folds hook2120: calls $6 Luckycharm84: calls $6 kjell_morten: calls $3 floes: checks *** FLOP *** [8c 4c 4d] kjell_morten: bets $18 floes: folds jen&jes: calls $18 hook2120: calls $18 Luckycharm84: folds *** TURN *** [8c 4c 4d] [3d] kjell_morten: checks jen&jes: checks hook2120: checks *** RIVER *** [8c 4c 4d 3d] [6d] kjell_morten: checks jen&jes: bets $154 hook2120: raises $512.20 to $666.20 and is all-in kjell_morten: folds jen&jes: calls $400.10 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** hook2120: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours) jen&jes: mucks hand hook2120 collected $1189.20 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1192.20 | Rake $3 Board [8c 4c 4d 3d 6d] Seat 1: Luckycharm84 (button) folded on the Flop Seat 2: kjell_morten (small blind) folded on the River Seat 3: floes (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: jen&jes mucked [Tc 9c] Seat 5: Raidan909 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: hook2120 showed [6s 6h] and won ($1189.20) with a full house, Sixes full of Fours
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Just tryin to show that there are idiots who do that shit (call with T high) and lose also
(see one of suspected HH's where hero called with T high to beat opponents 9 high bluff for more info if you're confused)
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His point is people make retarded calls with T high. When they are wrong, they are idiots. When they are right, it's because they can see their opponent's hole cards.
I think we all agree that one hand isn't enough evidence to prove anything.... but if the behavior is consistently repeated over hundreds of hands, that's something worth looking into. |
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He jams it up to 666 holding 66 at a 3/6 table!
This isn't an issue of hacking, this is exploiting people using unholy and demonic powers! That's why there is no trail of hard proof. Get in an exorcist and the problem will be solved! disclaimer: The above post is not to be taken litterally or as any indication of my belief or disbelief in the claims being made or disputed by any parties. I just find conspiracy theorizin' a wack load of fun.
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I received this reply from AB...
Dear Valued Customer, Thank you for contacting us. Yes we are aware of all this posts, we always try to be aware of what our customers, think of our service and if they enjoy playing with us. That’s why we are always checking into all of the concerns that our players have and we have taken actions already in this case, because of our company policies we cant let you know what those actions are, but we can let you know, that it wasn’t any type of hacking, it was just someone who didn’t know how to play poker and a hole lot of luck. If there is anything else we can assist you with please let us know. Sincerely, Jose Team Absolute ~ Security & Control Department Phone: 1.877.887.6537 "To Continue to be the best and most trusted" |
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I noticed late last night on fcp that people were watching this guy (or one of his alleged aliases) "dump chips" off to other people - also allegedly his accounts or his friends.
Could be that he just doesn't know what he's doing and was on the run of his life. Could also be it's all true and this guy was dumping his profit off to other accounts - although I would think that if it were true the account would have been frozen and the funds revoked. |
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fuck the site being rigged, if they can't write a company email using proper grammar and spelling words correctly they ain't getting my business.
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Jose's first language is clearly not english - I suspect it's french. I'm used to dealing with french firsters so it didn't bother me.
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Just to be clear, I am not being jingoistic here. Often in my work I have to communicate to folks in languages other than english and you can bet your ass when I do I get a native speaker to review the entire correspondence to confirm all my spelling and grammar, as well as to make sure that I am not missing something in the phrasing or translation. Sometimes we have to pay for this service out of pocket, but it is always worth it. It comes down to valuing your work and the work of others, also known as professionalism.
When a business doesn't value professionalism I think they are revealing a corrupt core. |
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Absolute Support Responds:
Cliff notes - Investigated, Superaccounts do not exist, Please resume your game. |
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