reading players

BrianSwa · #1 07-23-05, 11:46 AM

This hand here brought up a interesting topic for me....

PokerStars Game #2167885297: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/07/23 - 11:38:46 (ET)
Table 'Penthesilea' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jlf88 ($9.35 in chips)
Seat 2: stormswa ($12.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Smokee600 ($6.50 in chips)
Seat 4: 7colli ($3.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Moe_Mentum ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Richwon8 ($2.15 in chips)
Richwon8: posts small blind $0.05
jlf88: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stormswa [Ks As]
stormswa: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Smokee600: folds
7colli: folds
Moe_Mentum: folds
Richwon8: calls $0.35
jlf88: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh 5s 6d]
Smokee600 is sitting out
Richwon8: bets $1.75 and is all-in
stormswa said, "AK suited"
stormswa said, "probolly got AQ only giving me 3 outs"
stormswa: folds
Richwon8 collected $0.90 from pot
Richwon8: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Queens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.90 | Rake $0
Board [Qh 5s 6d]
Seat 1: jlf88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: stormswa folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Smokee600 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 7colli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Moe_Mentum (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Richwon8 (small blind) collected ($0.90)

how good are you at this, reading a players hole cards exactly. I know TP said during his WSOP he knew alot of the times what they had. Online how often do you know exactly what they have by how they bet?

junYUN · #2 07-23-05, 12:16 PM

alright brian, we'll give you what you want

what a great read!!!

BrianSwa · #3 07-23-05, 12:24 PM

thanks, but I actully want to know how you figure it out. Is it bet amounts mostly or is it time they take to act? I can see in a live game how this is sooo much easier how do you do it online. Personal experiences.

trying to start up some poker content here, work with me.

Aequitas58 · #4 07-23-05, 12:57 PM

It's a process:

-Pay attention at the table.
-Keep notes on players.
-When they bet, raise, call, etc ... put them on a range of hands based on your prior "read" of the player.
-From that range of hands, deduce a smaller sample size based on how they are betting during the hand in question.
-Don't be a donkey by putting too much stock in "how long" people take to act. It's not as big of a tell as you might think.

You're welcome.

BlibbityBlabbity · #5 07-23-05, 02:13 PM

How confident would you have been in this read if you actually had ANYTHING after the flop (say JJ)?

junYUN · #6 07-23-05, 02:20 PM

he would have called

lightfungus · #7 07-23-05, 02:44 PM

With that limit of poker I wouldn't even attempt reads. The guy went all in with something you cant buy 2 scoops of ice cream with.

Zybomb · #8 07-23-05, 03:31 PM

Baskin Robbins, Tuesday 2 Scoops for........ ah nevermind

Bet size is the most reliable tell (and as you know ur players more and more, how much they bet when they have certain hands, TP, Set,flush/straight draw etc) do they check bet big bet small, check raise etc.

There are other times where for some reason a hand just sticks out in your head and you cant really say why....but you have to go with it

Like the time I was playing a home game tourny, which was down to 4 people. Im the short stack, but not *that* short. The SB is the chip leader. UTG folds, and I raise with A3, the SB calls and the BB folds.Flop comes 9,3,5 i believe. First to act, he puts in an overbet which is equal to a little more than half my stack (thus putting me to a decision for all my chips) Immediately I have him put on A10, which has him drawing to a 3 outer. With only bottom pair, I quickly tell him to put in another (whatever I had left) he kind of shakes his head and replies I dont even know if I want to -- he obviously makes the call though.......he flips over A7 (basically the same thing) Really sucked when a 7 came on the river and knocked me out though.........

Sometimes you have a feeling and need to go with it -- i wouldnt put too much enphasis on this though. Id concentrate more on extracting the most moneyw hen you have the best hand, and losing the least when you dont

BrianSwa · #9 07-23-05, 03:31 PM

hell yea call big time, no seriously JJ would be a easy fold also. The better quesiton would be say I have KQ would I still make this laydown. Yes I would I was pretty positive he had the AQ so no way I was calling with just 3 outs.

Zybomb · #10 07-23-05, 03:35 PM

Based on the play so far, what made you put him on only AQ?

BrianSwa · #11 07-23-05, 03:44 PM

his bet on the flop, looked to me like he was protecting his hand. Like he was giving up and saying well if you got a set or 2 pair so be it. As soon as he made the bet I was like AQ, that is all he could have, what other hand could he have but that . He flop a set or 2 pair, no way not with that overbet. Looked to me like he knew his hand was probolly vulnerable and wanted to get the money in now.