Cheating PokerSites ?

JDMcNugent7 · #1 07-26-05, 02:19 AM

I am one person who forever hated when people called PS RiverStars, everytime they get a bad beat on the river. I always tell them it happens everywhere, and i still agree it does.
One thing i have Consistently noticed tho is...
everytime Right After i make a cash out on stars, i seem to receive a few days of the worst and toughest beats I've ever seen. It really has been totally ridiculous these last 2 whole days i have been consistently losing, to some Horrible beats, and other bad and tough beats.
I guess i could see how a site would dislike somebody making $ off their site, and instead of blowing it later like most the fish there do, actually cashing it out.
Also, it Could be all me, and maybe i get too confident or something after winning a bunch, but i Really dont think so, just because, for a whole week I'd have a bad beat here and there nothing big, But then, I post 3 of many in one night all of the sudden, and if u look at the bad beats section, u will see i was Very far ahead every hand.

Pretty much I'm just wondering if this happens to anybody else on any site ?
I'm talking only about Poker Stars tho.

Thoughts ?

junYUN · #2 07-26-05, 02:30 AM

i noticed the same thing.. but im sure we're just crazy.

Talking Poker · #3 07-26-05, 02:44 AM

You're just crazy.

Without going into the lack of motives and how bad of a business that would be for them (if proff got out - goodbye to multi-million dollar business), let me ask an obvious question:

Do you have any idea how hand it would be to program that sort of thing?

It would requite keeping track of who needs to be punished (the cash out people) the most at a given table. Then, the entire hands would have to be "rigged" so they would invest their money and lose to other hands, and so on and so forth, etc.

Why would they do this? And how much did they have to pay the guy to code all that? And when he tells them he wants $5 million in cash every month or else he's going to spill his guts, are they going to pay, or will they just have him killed?

It's not rigged.

JDMcNugent7 · #4 07-26-05, 04:23 AM

lol okay i know its freakin crazy, and i guess it's just me, But everything i said is SO true, everytime after i cash i go way down hill
i guess ur right tho.

GeoffM · #5 07-26-05, 08:30 AM

LMAO, RiverStars, that is funny.

2Tone · #6 07-26-05, 11:59 AM

Warning -- contains math and logic

Talking Poker · #7 07-26-05, 12:52 PM

Brilliant.

Penguinfan · #8 07-26-05, 12:54 PM

I agree with TP, HOWEVER, my issue with the sites cheating is that they may very well have people who can see your cards and know what cards are coming next. This would take no programming at all.

I don't find the bad beats all that extrordinary, what I find amazing is that people call with the cards they do to give you those bad beats. I mean if you have AK and the flop is AK7 how does a guy holding 46 call and catch runner, runner straight?

It's the people calling with these horrible hands that I question, I mean how can they have a penny to their name and be making calls like that.

Yes, I know the company line about these people will pay you off, this is where your profit comes from, etc... but honestly how do they call with this stuff?

Was just railing a friend at the $1000 NL party tables and saw a guy call off the last $900+ he had in front of him after TWO people were all-in before him. This was not a tournament, it was cash. He was up against AA and KK, he had AKo and sure enough he caught QJT on the flop for the lions share of the pot. Who the hell could possibly make that call?

ChipFish · #9 07-26-05, 02:36 PM

People who think it's rigged are funny.

Windbreaker · #10 07-26-05, 02:53 PM

I don't believe any sites are rigged, however the things on pokerstars get sick sometimes.

I usually play the multitable sit n go's, and all can't count how many times my 10 to 1 favorites get burned. I don't really mind the bad beats as opposed to really poor play.

For instance a guy is all in for barely any chips - this is on the bubble, I"m in the small blind and flat call, the BB raises 4BB on me. I fold, only to have him show K 5 off. They spilt the pot, which I would have won. And I end up busting out on the bubble after the small stacked tripled and doubled up.

And then there's situations where people call 5xBB raises preflop with really ugly hands. Eg. Me 10 10, villian K 6. Flops K 10 3. We end up all in. Turn K. River 3.

The thing that gets me shaking my head the most is when a huge stack decides it's time to double up everyone on the table. They make some of the most insane calls...and you can only hope to pick up a hand in time and finally don't get cold decked for the hand.

Maybe I should start going to the higher buy in tourneys...maybe I will be able to read wth they're doing. =P

Talking Poker · #11 07-26-05, 02:53 PM

Yes, this was a bad call with two players all in in front of him. But AK is not exactly a trash hand, either. He could very well be a new player (who happens to have plenty of "real life" money) and knows enough about poker to be dangerous. ie, "AK is a very good starting hand."

Not everyone plays poker at a high level, or even half decently for that matter. I, for one, am glad. If everyone out there was exactly as good of a player as I am, I would be a long term loser, thanks to the rake. But because I'm above the "average," I'm able to be a long term winner.

This is a good thing.

One more thing to consider about the bad beats you see.... you only see them BECAUSE the other guy won the hand. When he doesn't catch his miracle river card and folds, you don't see his hand. When he calls you down with bottom pair and your hand holds up, you don't see his hand (unless you go look, like I always do, but even then, it's more subtle). Bad beats stand out in our memories because they are throw in our face. EVERY single time someone sucks out on us and takes down a pot, we see their cards. But we don't see the garbage they are losing with. It's a matter of perception.

Eman885 · #12 07-26-05, 04:47 PM

It is not possible for you to catch runner-runner str8 with those cards on that board lol.

BrianSwa · #13 07-26-05, 04:49 PM

you mean its not possible for a 5 and a 8 to come out?

4-5-6-7-8

Eman885 · #14 07-26-05, 04:44 PM

So maybe you shouldn't cash out, but if you need to take a break from PokerStars for a week and play at another site .

BrianSwa · #15 07-26-05, 05:27 PM

There has got to be a way some people are able to cheat. Not saying the system is involved in it but there has got to be some techie guy out there that has figured out how. Im sure the system tries to stop this but there is always that one guy that can hide well enough.

This is why I tend to like live play also, not taking anything away from online poker its a great thing. Me personally though, I would much rather drive 3 hours to play then to put the money online. I have shown much greater sucess on the felt then on the net.

GeoffM · #16 07-26-05, 05:29 PM

Hmm, someone has managed to change the look of the cards faceup, I wonder if someone could also make other people's cards appear faceup.

Either way, I'm making money so I ain't gonna bitch

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JDMcNugent7 · #17 07-26-05, 06:21 PM

Oh ya, there has got to be a few players who have figured out the hand randomizer, or at least a way to see others cards.
One time i was playin this guy in a heads up tourny.
Everytime i had crap he was all in, everytime i had a PP, he would fold to small blinds after goin all in 4 straight hands before. He did this entire time and won, i finally decided i had to call with crap and he showed barely better crap, i really think he could see my cards, and everytime he had a bit of an advantge, just went all in.
I e-mailed the hand history to pokerstars and told them how ridiculous it was and how i am 95% sure he is the luckiest man in the world, or can see my cards.
They wrote back saying theres no possible way he can see my cards, but i still have my doubts.

ChipFish · #18 07-26-05, 06:59 PM

You guys.
You are all so Silly.
Keep it up.
This should be on the comedy hour soon.
Hee hee hee.
Rigged?
Hee hee hee.

Does anyone here seriously think that if someone had figured out the hand randomizer, or had some program that showed everyones hole cards, or heck even worked for the site itself, that they might maybe, just maybe play a higher limit and go after some real cash?

Does anyone think that cheating on the PLO8 .25/50 table is probably not happening?
Does anyone care to rethink their own personal skill and say to themselves:"Hey, The reason I lose at poker is because I SUCK, not because someone can see my cards"? OR "It's a good thing for someone to call me all-in with 4-5 with a board of 6-A-9 when I hold A-A, and it just sucks when they do catch the 7 and the 8 on the turn and river..... But hey If I make this same play 1000 times I will be very rich."?

This is funny....
I'll keep it going....

Grrrrrr..... Some meathead called me to the river with Q-3 and caught his 3 on the river.... WOW EMPIRE POKER MUST be rigged.

EDIT TO ADD:
Let all the losing players Flame away!

BrianSwa · #19 07-26-05, 07:04 PM

not talking about the low limit players chip, Im talking about the people playing 2,000 NL that seem to have 5k to 6k at the table everytime I check in on them. Yea of course if someone did know how to do this they wouldnt sit at 25 nl. Im just saying its possible I have never witnessed it myself.

Zybomb · #20 07-27-05, 12:14 AM

In my example the guy was making 2400-6400 every day. What do you consider real cash? all I was saying was it was strange, that a player who made decisions like those was up that much money each time I saw him. Was he just getting lucky at every table?

I don't know what happened there or why, but all I know is after watching him for a period of time, there were several other instances against multiple opponents where his decisions would be so strange. And a well respected player who is generally on the tables every night did make a comment. I also know I wont sit down at a table with this guy... for whatever the reason may be

I wont completely discard the possibility, although Im not saying it is so -- people can hack into the FBI, you think your poker site has a tougher system to get into than that?

And Im making the comment and I am far from a losing player. Im up close to $7,500 this year

reTry · #21 07-26-05, 07:03 PM

This site is pretty interesting - gets me to wonder if its real and if people are using it

ChipFish · #22 07-26-05, 07:10 PM

Hee hee hee good one!

I particularly like this taken directly from the disclaimer at the bottom of the page

While we try to include accurate information on the site, we're not promising you it's accurate. In fact, we're not promising you anything except fun and entertainment.

Hee hee hee rigged!

Good one!

Penguinfan · #23 07-26-05, 07:41 PM

OK, I looked at that out of curiosity simply because if it was possible to do this then the creator would go to his grave with it and not share it with anyone.

This particular guy is not to bright though, plain and simple. He is pretty good at photo editing, I'll give him that. His before and after pictures of Party Poker tables are not bad, except that in photo 1 the action is on seat 6 and seat 1 is waiting to act and they ARE THE ONLY PLAYERS WITH CARDS!!! I his after photo EVERYONE NOW MAGICALLY HAS CARDS.

Damn he is good, he can even expose players hole cards that do not exist!

bdawg31 · #24 07-27-05, 09:48 PM

I was playing in a tourney and this one guy hit a very nice flop. This other guy said "So-and-so must have the software that allows you to know what the flop is". A player said "Really?" then the guy who hit the flop went "Yeah, it really helps a lot". So, i jumped in and started going on about how i heard that at least 1/3 of the community has it now - i have been holding off because i like the sport of playing, but i figure i will have to break down and buy it. So, then the dork starts going on about how he doesnt see the fun in it, why dont sites stop it, why dont other people buy it, etc. Me and the 'guy who had the software' (who i never met before) just started ad-libbing this whole conversation about it. It was really funny. Someone chimmed in and tried to tell the sucker that we were yanking his chain - i said "Dont listen to him - he is just saying that because he probably has the software too and doesnt want you to know about his edge".

Then this one hand was classic. An early position player raised and the 'guy with the software' went all-in and the raiser called. The 'software' guy had pocket 7s and the raiser had Ax. Well, they both missed the flop - but the Ax hand ended up winning. Then someone says "Hey software guy, where was that 7 on the flop when you went all-in on?" and i jumped in and said "See, that is the other thing about the software - people dont know how to utilize it. I am sure software guy put the raiser on A-rag - the software told him that the flop would not have an ace, so he figured this was a pretty good chance to push. The software was right on the flop - but couldnt predict the turn and river. That software is being beta-tested right now....blah-blah-blah"

It was fun - helped pass the time.