Biggest Pet Peeve

Jackass_man · #1 10-19-04, 11:16 PM

I absolutely hate people who reraise with straight and flush draws, has to be one of the most aggrevating things for me, one the one hand it's great when they miss but today everyone just kept on hitting the miracle cards. I have QQ in 1\2 limit I raise preflop and get two caller. Flop comes Q47, Q4 are diamonds player A checks player B bets I raise player A folds me and player B cap it, the turn is 8c we cap it again, river diamond! Shit I lose, but it's such a dumb play to raise and reraise with a draw especially in limit.

stussy2k · #2 10-19-04, 11:21 PM

you gotta live with stuff like that. These are the people that are putting money in your pocket.

Jackass_man · #3 10-19-04, 11:43 PM

Except this last week they've been taking it, I'm down $200 and frigging broke. If I don't cash out some money soon I'll be eating ICHIBAN the rest of the month!

humpty99 · #4 10-19-04, 11:54 PM

Your limit is too low. Those players at that limit are the maggots of the poker world....except for you of course. Once you build you money back up, move up a couple notches. A lot of those people will have went away. Not all though, believe me.

johnbaker · #5 10-20-04, 12:58 AM

yeah dont be worried if you're down a lot in a game like that... whenever i play low limit theres so many idiots that its practically like playing against colluders... i'm automatically a dog to win the pot unless i flop a monster, everyone will chase every draw to the river, and one of them ALWAYS catches some kind of draw.... its sick

Save yourself some grief and go play at the NL tables or at O8B, where people playing like shit screws you less often than in low limit holdem

-JB

Aequitas58 · #6 10-20-04, 01:33 AM

LOL - or these are people that can help build your bankroll so you can sit in that cheated $15/30 game, right?

Charlie Frank · #7 10-20-04, 09:57 AM

Apart from Lou, everyone who thinks they "contributed" to this thread has done exactly the opposite.

You people have so much to learn about limit poker.

I am a pretty nice guy, and I am willing to teach you, but not with the attitude of the original poster (who was only complaining, not keen to learn) nor with the attitudes of stussy, humpty and johnbaker, who simply gave the original poster bad advice (under the pretence that they actually know what they are talking about). They simply don't have a clue. This is not meant to offend, this is simply a statement of fact.

If any of you are interested in learning about limit, ask nicely and I will be more than happy to enlighten you.

CF

Aequitas58 · #8 10-20-04, 01:32 AM

ReRaising is a good play. It's an attempt at a free card on the turn.

These suckouts happen. For a week, you'll keep getting hurt, then the next week all of their flush draws will come up short, and you'll think you're becoming a better player.

Just wait and see.

Tilter · #9 10-22-04, 03:46 PM

Ouch dude. You were getting the best of it. I thought he was raising for the free card, but I guess not.

brokeagain · #10 10-22-04, 03:54 PM

i can see putting a raise in with position to try to get the free card, but you cant go crazy

ChipFish · #11 10-23-04, 02:56 AM

If I am reading this correctly, the betting wasn't capped by the other player at all.

Let's analyze:
Player A Checks
Player B bets ( =1 bet)
I Raise ( =2 bets)
Player A Folds ( = still 2 bets)
Player B Caps ( = 3 bets)

Now I'm not sure here, but When I play limit, It gets capped at 4 bets.
Did you actually cap it with the 4rth bet?

I also think that if the betting did indeed get capped on the flop, then although Player B was perhaps a tad aggressive, you should probably not have allowed a cap on the turn....
With that board and the re-raise, he either had a lower set, 2 pair or a flush draw.

Now, I am not saying I am 100% correct but here is what I would do and why.

I would raise and reraise until capped on the flop because it's cheap.

At the turn you would have to recognize the possiblity of a flush draw.
I would merely call the bet here.
Why? Limit the damage.
If he hits the flush on the river, it won't cost you as much.
If the third diamond hits on the river, then you can call his bet, or bet if he checks, and call his re-raise if there is one.
If he doesn't hit the flush, Then you can hope to heavens he lets you cap it again.... if not, you still take down a decent pot.

That is merely how I would have played that hand.

johnbaker · #12 10-23-04, 04:12 AM

no dude PLO is all about the nuts... the key to O8B is getting value out of your low hands. I'll talk a lot more about it when i write the article this weekend
-jB

ChipFish · #13 10-23-04, 07:54 AM

I hope that wasn't directed at me....
In this instance it certainly seems like this was a Limit Holdem Question....
I am responding to the original poster.

So if that was directed at me JohnBaker, go back, shake your head around a bit and re-read the original post.

GeoffM · #14 10-23-04, 12:15 PM

Hi James

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GeoffM · #15 10-27-04, 01:23 PM

O8B value from low?

I disagree entirely. How many times do you try to get value out of your A2 only to see someone else also have it and also take high on you. I'd much rather have the top high hand and pound away at the pot any day of the week.

Of course, If I have the nut low I will simply call all the way, but only when I have a shot at the high, and if I don't have a shot at high, I want to make sure at least 3 other people are in the hand so I can at least (usually) get my bets back. If there are only 3 guys left and they are pounding the pot, I let him take his A2 money and save mine for another time.

eddo31 · #16 10-27-04, 01:34 PM

i agree. you have to play o8b cautiously when you only have a low. because the prevailing advice out there suggests that your starting hand requirements usually are aimed at the low, you are often going to get quartered.

Jackass_man · #17 10-24-04, 10:10 PM

capped = 4 bets i bet he raise I reraise he caps the flop and turn 4bets!

ChipFish · #18 10-25-04, 12:26 AM

That's not what you wrote

Charlie Frank · #19 10-25-04, 10:51 AM

This entire post is for JohnBaker. The man is a chump.

That is a compliment. With your level of sanity, if my posts *were* making sense to you, I would be worried.

No one asked me nicely. "You gotta ask me nicely!" Ten points for who said that in what movie?

No flush was made on the turn. Jackass needs to work on his writing skills, but there is no excuse for your stupidity. Go re-read the original post. Ahhh, I love arguing with monkeys...not.

You said you hate limit holdem because you can't win at it. It is a pretty fair assumption that if you can't win at it, you don't know what you are talking about.

Well, while you may not have much of a clue, you certainly have class. At least you can always fall back on that.

I have a crazy idea! Would you like to play a friendly game of limit holdem? You claim you know what you are talking about - I say you have no clue.

Let's put it to the test - $1000 freezeout limit holdem heads-up tournament.

Why do I get the feeling you will have nothing to say to this?

CF

johnbaker · #20 10-25-04, 07:02 PM

wow dude your posts dont even apply to the quotes you put up there... i'm not going to the bother to re-quote you, but look at this:

"That is a compliment. With your level of sanity, if my posts *were* making sense to you, I would be worried."

what are you, 5 years old? this is the stupidest thing ive seen you post (so far)

"No one asked me nicely. "You gotta ask me nicely!" Ten points for who said that in what movie?"

why would we ask you nicely, when you just came into this thread with hostility, telling us that we dont know what we're doing. no one likes you. go away.

"No flush was made on the turn. Jackass needs to work on his writing skills, but there is no excuse for your stupidity. Go re-read the original post. Ahhh, I love arguing with monkeys...not."

i said 'if i remember correctly'. chill out, i made a mistake, oh no.

"Well, while you may not have much of a clue, you certainly have class. At least you can always fall back on that."

...what?

"I have a crazy idea! Would you like to play a friendly game of limit holdem? You claim you know what you are talking about - I say you have no clue.

Let's put it to the test - $1000 freezeout limit holdem heads-up tournament.

Why do I get the feeling you will have nothing to say to this?"

allright, lets play. what site, what conditions, tell me everything first before i commit to this... also how about we do a NL freezeout instead of your wimpyass limit freezeout? what, youre afraid i might outplay you for all your money in one hand and you wont get the chance to outdraw me later? theres no way you're going to tell me that limit takes more skill than NL.

also from reading your other posts, ive figured this out; you're 23, you sit at home and play online low limits all day, and you (supposedly) are going to law school. From the way youve been acting on here, none of this is true. you probably ARE 23, you probably live at home with your parents, and you probably dropped out of community college to go pursue your aspirations to become a professional poker player. guess what? youre going to die alone! have fun with the rest of your bitter, meaningless life.

oh yeah, and before you come on here posting OK BITCH LETS PLAY WHERES YOUR $1000, I'm announcing now that i'm not responding to any more of your posts until you show proof to the public that you have $1000 to play with. giving dumbasses like you more attention than you deserve is why dumbasses like you exist.

I look forward to our match, because i know i'm going to break your entire bankroll when i win.

-jB

p.s., anyone else who's fed up with this guys bullshit please post here saying so. this guy needs to be told his idiotic ways arent welcome here.

2Tone · #21 10-25-04, 07:06 PM

Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

brokeagain · #22 10-26-04, 10:25 PM

[quote=Jackass_man]I absolutely hate people who reraise with straight and flush draws,

I absolutely love a player that doesn't know how to handle agressive play!

Jackass_man · #23 10-26-04, 10:50 PM

[quote=brokeagain]I know how to handle it i reraise and the 25% of the time you hit your draw i get pissed off and start threads!

Charlie Frank · #24 10-27-04, 01:05 PM

NO WAY! Are you kidding me? I never would have guessed!!! What with the way you play, you must be pulling in thousands....

So you have gone broke, you have no car, you have $3000 to your name and yet you take offence when I tell you that your advice on limit holdem is incorrect? You have some nerve.

I don't think the idea was ridiculous at all. Don't you think the TP Admin would be the perfect guy to hold our money in escrow?

Oh sorry, I forgot - you have no money!

I am willing to play you on PokerStars for $1000 - $500 is my absolute minimum. Anything else really wouldn't be worth my time. The only problem with that is you have to pay PokerStars something I would imagine - I don't think they let you set up the games for free. I don't play on PokerStars but I will find out all the details and download the software if I thought for one second you even had a couple hundred dollars to lose.

As it stands, I think you are a snotty-nosed kid (you yourself said that you aren't even 21) with no money who likes to talk big but doesn't have the minerals to back that talk up.

If you want to prove me wrong, let's rock and roll.

Until then, go back to 2+2.

CF

GeoffM · #25 10-27-04, 01:23 PM

Wow, a third page, a new feud, and a challenge. ChipFish, got any popcorn?