Continuous Shuffle - Online poker RNGs...

[Talking Poker]

Yes, that is all well and good.

The simple point here that very few people seem to be getting is that for the thousands of times that people in this forum have said/thought, "Oh, I would have made my flush" or "I would have flopped a set" AND just as many times that people have said, "Whew - good thing I folded, because I would have gone broke here" or not thought anything at all because the result was insignificant in their mind......... well, that's all crap. You can't do it, because there is no such thing as a fixed deck.

Yes, it's still random. And no, no one can influence the action any more than anyone else. But the fact remains that online poker sites (at least Full Tilt) us a continuous shuffle, and that changes how we look at the game.

[Robbie Robb]

I'm one of the worst for saying things along those lines. Then I gave my head a shake and realize that I made the right decision folding. After all, the goal is to decision oriented and not results oriented.

But yeah, it's one of those things that just...are. There's nothing really that can be done to improve the system.

Great, thanks Mark, now everytime I click on a button I'm gonna be thinking "should I have waited a tenth of a second longer?"

[drewjax]

Same here.

"Damn you TP" (in my best Stewie Griffin voice)

[melioris]

You are communicating effectively to me and I have understood what you are saying throughout this thread. I am not trying to break you down, as you know by my PM on this topic.

What you have explained is totally illogical and irrational thinking. The inescapable truth is that any person who is aware that thinking this way is irrational and still allows such thoughts to enter his/her head is indulging himself/herself in feebleminded thinking. If a person does not recognize that it is irrational thinking, or can but still can’t let it go, it is a sign of underlying personality issues and not an issue with the RNG.

Granted this is all just my opinion, but I feel quite strongly that there is not another reasonable explanation. I am happy if anyone can provide one that is rational and logical.

[omahilo]

we should do some type of experiment...

like if we call instantly with a flush draw vs waiting 5-10 seconds then call with a flush draw and see how often each one gets there.

maybe just maybe we are missing something here...

[Zybomb]

Now if THIS were the case (it's not) THEN i would be irate!

[GTDawg]

You say it's not the case...so then it doesn't matter how you play your hand. So, why are we discussing this?

[Talking Poker]

I've been out all day. Time for me to get caught up on this thread. I'll start here:

While I don't think there is anything irrational about my logic here (all I have done is state facts about the mechanics behind the way cards are electronically dealt at Full Tilt), I understand that me saying "I don't like it" has 100% to do with my personality and 0% to do with the RNG itself. I have no problem with their RNG, and any allusions I made otherwise in other threads were simply me joking.

But don't misinterpret me saying "I don't like it" with me "indulging myself in feeble minded thinking" or having some sort of major personality issues or anything of that sort. While I believe that there are still people who don't understand what I have been saying all along here (I'm not saying that you are one of them, but it's pretty clear when reading through this thread who is getting what Zy and I are saying and who is not and is taking it to a WAY other crazy level), I don't see why liking or not liking something has to mean anything more than just that.

If I said that I like Blue but I don't like Yellow, surely that would be ok, right? I mean, me having opinions like that doesn't mean those opinions are consuming me, costing me sleep, affecting my emotional/physical health or another of the sort. They are just opinions.

Right?