AA or KK very early in a multi

[eddo31]

yes, you push it in on the firsthand of the tourney with AA if someone already went all in in front of you.

if this isnt your automatic response, i dont think that you belong in the tourney. the worst situation for you could be that the person in front of you has a hand like T9s. in that case you are still better than 3-1 to win the hand (according to twodimes.net). but more likely, you are up against KK, QQ. in this case you are 4-1 to win. in my opinion, you have to take risks like that in a tourney in order to move on.

also, by going all in here, you are probably shutting down the action, and it will be heads up. very unlikely that anyone else enters the pot behind you, and that is also in your favor. playingthe pot heads up is much better than playing a family pot.

[ChipFish]

also a good answer but in my opinion wrong also.
One more, and I'll give you my reasoning.

[Tuff Luck]

uhm.. part of me wants to call there and have the chance of doubling up but then again, that's $10,000 down if he gets the miracle cards.

I'd say yes though.

There's your three.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

My real response is that I would probably do what almost everyone will tell you here and push in my chips with the best hand.

But I see the other side where playing survival poker (tournament) for a $10 million payday, do you want to risk even a 4 to 1 on the first hand. If you are a solid player with a shot to go all the way to final table, you know you will be able to take advantage of weaker players in situations where you have seen a flop and have a better idea if you hand will hold up if it goes to the river. Depends on your personality which way you go here.

[ChipFish]

I agree with this one....
We can all agree that you can get sucked out on right?
Well If I told you that I was going to give you A-A and I would take 2-7o/s or any other hand that you would like me to have, and if I win you give me
$10,000. If you win, you have to beat 2500 other guys to the final table.
You really don't get much if you win here do you?
IF you lose, you're out $10K.
If you win, you're really not up that much in the grand scheme of things.
Let's say you win. Fine, now you have $20,075 or whatever the blinds are to start. Give the rest of the field 4-5 hands and there are guys ahead of you.
Why risk it?
Yes I beleive I am good enough to build a stack without an all-in gamble like that.
And yes I understand that you have to make lots of all-in gambles to place in this tournament.... However, that being said.... do it when there are more chips on the line.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong... In fact statistically speaking I should push-in.... I just feel it's not worth it.

If this was a S&G... Then I wouldn't hesitate. Same for a ring-game. and same for a small-buy-in multi table.
Just not for a large buy-in multi-table. I want to play in the WSOP, I don't want to watch it.

My two cents.
James

[Aequitas58]

Chip,

You have to play to win the tournament. Not, play just to play. Although there are circumstances where you should fold aces, your odds of surviving the tournament are so small... and it doesn't even matter if you are a solid player. I see no hesitation here. Get your money in when you have the best of it.

"Call."

[ChipFish]

Not going to change my mind here....
I understand the stats.... I understand what the "correct" move is....

I still fold.

[eddo31]

i understand the idea of playing for survival at times, and not playing for coinflips, but that is not this situation. this is the absolute best situation you can be in to gain chips. there is a point in time where you will have to accumulate chips, or you will be gone. doing so with a 4-1 edge is as good as you can get preflop. i know you dont want to bust early, and the fact that you have to move in is something that you want to avoid, but given these odds i think you have to do it.

hellmuth talked about a hand in this yaers tourney where he laid down QQ when he said he put his opponent on 77, and he justified the laydown by saying that the guy could have sucked out on him. i dont think that is a legitimate excuse at all, and there is a difference between playing scared and playing for survival. AK v JJ is a coinflip, overpair v underpair is not.

the fact that you said that you would do this in a small buy in MTT tells you exactly what you should do in thi ssituation. if you are playing and the amount of money you are playing for makes you adjust your strategy, then you shouldnt be playing at that limit/buy-in.

just wondering, if you won the seat in a $40 online satellite, a la moneymaker, would that change your decision?

[Aequitas58]

And... If you go into the WSOP with that attitude, you won't come close to making the money.

Keep on foldin.