How do you do it..

[junYUN]

well the same reasons you all are describing are the same reasons these tables are really hard to "crush." when 6 people go to the flop with practically anything, and you're holding AA or KK it's VERY easy for just one of them to pick up a hand that beats you. i HATE playing at party... but i can still beat the game in the long run. .50/1 limit is what i play... and i have to say at party is where i make the least amount of money... just because even if you have a top starting hand... you're only a slight favorite to win the pot because there are so many people in it.

[PShabi]

Not picking on Jun in particular,

But everyone here is too results oriented. In the short term, you may get sucked out on, but it's stupid to think that you can't "crush" these games.

If you're having problems beating these games long term, you are probably folding too much. I know that's a pretty general statement, but I used to fold a little too much.

Anyone who plays limit hold 'em that has not read Small Stakes Hold 'Em is missing the boat.

[Kurn]

These are exactly the games that Small Stakes Hold'em addresses. If you haven't read it, read it. I guarantee you will find mistakes you are making.

Here's a few ideas:

1) If you hold a hand like ATs in the BB, 5 limpers & the SB completes, what do you do? If your answer is anything except raise, that's a huge error. When you have a hand that plays well in multiway pots and a lot of people have put money in the pot preflop, you should try to get as much money in the pot as possible.

2) Play more aggressively on the flop. Make sure you count all your hidden outs, including backdoor draws.

3) Bluff less on the river, value bet more on the river, call more on the river.

4) In these games, big unsuited cards go down in value, suited connectors and small-medium pairs go up in value. Adjust. If there's a limper, a raise and a call in front of you, you can call from LP with a small-medium pair.

5) sets have even bigger implied odds in these games.

Finally, post some hands where you got sucked out on, let's see if there was anything you could have done to prevent it.

[Talking Poker]

Great advice with the final suggestion, but I have a question about #3.... Are you sure? Maybe this is because you are talking about very low stakes games, but I've been experimenting with just the opposite of this recently. When heads up anyway, I find bluffing at the river can be quite profitable (assuming you've shown strength the whole way). Say the pot is laying you 8:1 or so on your bluff. Even if you get called and lose 80% of the time, you're still coming out ahead. It's also good for your image, as people will start calling you down with junk, causing your value bets to get paid off more.

Again, just something I've been experimenting with. I've kinda been looking at it the same as "call more on the river.... because of the size of the pot, it doesn't need to work all that much to be a profitable play.