My Dilemma - Bankroll Related.

[Aequitas58]

Personally, I do think there is a problem with skipping levels... BUT, in this case, considering what levels I'm skipping ($1/2, $2/4, etc.) I think I'll be ok.

What about this scenario:
If someone comes into a lot of money and decides to play $30/60 for a living, don't you think it's hurting them that they didn't see hands at $15/30?

[Talking Poker]

No, I do not. This person's success will depend on their poker abilities at the level they are palying, not at some other level.

You can't really be suggesting that some rich guy who decides his bankroll is $1 million should sit down at the .25/.50 table and work his way up, should you? That's ridiculous. He can play wherever he wants... as can you.

[Aequitas58]

You're missing the obvious. You can be bankrolled for $100/200 and be a winner... but I'm suggesting that it's bad for your game if you haven't seen hands at the $50/100 level. Aren't there so many instances and situations that you miss? Reading players, "experience," etc.

I'm taking into consideration that after a certain level, say $5/10 or $10/20 (?) the skill and experience of your opponents rises drastically. So, by actually building at THESE levels (not 25c/50c) you will be better off?

C'mon ... it HAS to be better for your game.

[BrianSwa]

I see exactly what you are saying BUT if you are bankrolled for say 100/200 it might be kinda boring playing at 50/100 and you might play worse then you would play when the money means something to you. Well let me change that when the money means more to you.

let me edit this a little bit to explain what I mean so I dont sound to dumb this time. So a doctor makes 110k a year and has never played poker before in his life. He is bankrolled for a big game but has to learn some basics 1st, I would much rather him sit in say a 100/200 game then a 1/2 game. In that 1/2 game all he is gonna do is pick up bad habits and when he goes up to his 100/200 game is gonnna get rocked. If he would start at the game think he would of picked it up much easier.

now in your case you got a head start since you are a solid poker player already, You should start where you feel comfortable if thats 2/4 or 3/6 then fine you have the bankroll for it so go to town brother. As for risking your whole bankroll before you make those big deposits guess that depends on you and what you have planned. If you can handle sitting out for a couple of months if you bust out I say go for it.

[2Tone]

Disclaimer: The below is based on full ring games. I seem to be one of the few who prefer a full table to 6 handed. That said …

At these lower limit, there’s no problem with jumping in as high as you can for your roll. Honestly, with anything above $500, I’d be playing 3/6, though I know that’s not the text book answer. But I’m confident in your ability to beat these games, so you might has well make as much money doing so as possible, especially with financial security right around the corner.

I don’t notice much difference between 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6. Solid play is rewarded, creativity punished. Play premium hands, don’t bluff, don’t get frustrated at suck outs, chase when it makes sense, and enjoy a slow but steady win rate.

I don’t know where the skill level starts to take off. Based on a few quick hit and runs (which were stupid risks that I shouldn’t have done) 5/10 is a bit of a different ball game, with more check raising, blind stealing, etc. But based on TP’s post the other day, there are plenty of lousy players at 10/20.

[Aequitas58]

Thanks for your reply. I'm certainly not looking for a textbook answer - but in this case, I don't know if there is one! I want to finish clearing my bonus at Party. I also have a pending bonus at Stars and Ultimate Bet, as well as an Ultimate Bet rakeback payment coming within the month.

It would be good if I played some $3/6 tonight, won a few bucks, and parlayed that money into a rebuy MTT or something.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

WHAT??

So a complete stanger to the game should just sit with a table full of seasoned pros "because they have the money to cover the losses" they WILL have?

IF you are a solid player THEN you just take into account your bankroll to determine what limit you play (along with other factors such as being able to judge yourself back down if you are getting hammered before you go broke).
If you don't know how to play you HAVE to learn at a reasonable level before moving up too high.

Now, TP has a point that your wayward Dr. should not start at .25/.50 limit. Key being reasonable level for what you are comfortable with. I suppose there are millionaires out there who could give a shit less if they take a $10,000 beatingevery night but that is not the same as someone who wants to build a bankroll (regardless of the limit) and learn the game.

[BrianSwa]

your really think that guy is gonna learn good poker at 1/2? He has the bankroll to handle the losses and then rebuy in with little worry. 110k a year dont think losing a little bit is gonna bother him too much when he is getting much better then he would at 1/2.

[Aequitas58]

Ok... and you really think he's gonna learn something immediately playing professionals at $100/200?

GONG. You know where the dunce hat is... and we KNOW you know where the corner is.

[SirFWALGMan]

Having played up to 5/10, I would say any level under that is the same. I.E. The skill jump is not soooooo great that I would be scared to play. The 5/10 adds ALOT of aggression and you really have to play alot better. People pay more attention. You can not just wait for aewsome hands and bet out. It gets tougher. Anything 3/6 and down though I would play except .50/1 which drives me crazy.

[Aequitas58]

Fuck that. LOL. I tried a session of $3/6 short tonight after clearing the Party bonus...

-the play was FAST - unusually fast.
-at least one person raised preflop. everyhand.
-lots and lots of three-betting and raising (in general).

^^ This isn't to say that I'm not comfortable w/ that, but it IS different than your run-of-the-mill $1/2 game.

The session went well... nabbed 7BB's in about 15 minutes, cashed out. On the first hand, I lost $25, so it was good to quit ahead. I cashed out quickly... there's no reason to play 6max on Party if I can play it on UB and get rakeback.

[Aequitas58]

Mission failed.

[Reel Deal]

Brian, I don't know what line of work you're in, but it's clear to me that your true calling is in the area of money management or investment banking!

[BrianSwa]

thats why my wife handles the check book


money management tip of the day kids, put it all on red!

[BlibbityBlabbity]

Not to keep going on this Brian (since you have already admitted it was a bad example), but I just realized readng it again when ReelDeel Quoted you...

$100/$200 - 300BB = $60,000

Now a Solid player needs 300 BB to handle just the regular swings of the game (draw outs, lucky catches, etc). Even then the good doctor wouold be putting up more than 1/2 of his annual salary on a game he has no idea how to play and copuld easily go broke within a sitting or two. At that limit he could easily (considering the skill of the players at that level, who will be TOOOOO happy to see him sit at the table ) run through his yearly salary in a long weekend .

Not the conversation I want to have with my wife

[Aequitas58]

I had to make a choice b/n that or law school. Hope I made the right choice.

[Reel Deal]

You did.