Fun with AA...

[Talking Poker]

You do realize that if you raise to 12x the BB with AA and KK only, everyone at your table knows exactly what your hole cards are, right?

You also realize this is a HUGE disadvantage at the poker table (which is why we usually play with our cards face down and not face up)?

And lastly, you realize that this is 2005, and Zybomb won't be winning until 2006, yes?

[thrash1294]

So Zybomb is like the real picard then?
So everyone knows my cards? A poker game Is not the same people every session or table or site Or casino. If you have notes on me for that great its to my advantage.

But I am a donkey

[captain_festival]

i like to stay consitent when in a cash game..i think u did everything right and nothing wrong...what happened is POKER ...but in the long run playing the way u did will only produce good things...

[imso_ontilt]

Obviously here, you were playing with some donks. Your standard raise was good, you had 3 limpers on your BB and you bumped it up pretty nicely. $20 in the Pot, you raise the Pot. Still got two callers. Thats the problem in it of itself. With AA, or any big hand for that matter, you want to be heads up in the pot. You go from being generally 80-20 to being 60-20-20. I dont know about you, but would you want to risk your whole stack (hypothetical 3 way all in) on a 60% chance? Sure you'll be ahead, but thats not an overwheling favorite. With the flop of QJ8 w/ 2 diamonds, picture your odds of winning against your draws. With two other hands in the pot, you could likely put one on a flush draw, and possibly the other the gutshot most likely holding the Ten. So with two cards to come, you have to dodge 9 outs on the flush draw and 4 outs on the gutshot, 13 outs, 2 to come. Youre again about 60-40 favorite. You can always fold a pair of Aces, Aces are no guarentee, its just a pair. So, you may ask how do you play it different? Well the preflop raise was OK, to me, it was a bit of an overbet, but it worked. The flop is where you went wrong. With betting the flop hard, I would get the feeling that you Missed the Flop with a hand like AK and would be more liable to get a call from a gutshot or the flushdraw, because they might think they have more outs than they really do. A check-raise would indicate you are very strong, and the gutshot mightve dropped, but the flush draw looked like a gambler, so I would know hes not going anywhere. This is one of those hands where you cut your losses, take your medicine, and get back to playing your game.

[Talking Poker]

I like that analysis and I agree with most of it. A couple of notes though:

1. In a tourney, I don't like putting all my chips in as a 60% favorite, no. But in a cash game, I'll do it all day, every day. Especially against 2 opponents, which means (generally) that I'm getting 2:1 on my money, and I'm a 60% favorite to win. Think about that. Usin gyour numbers, that means for every $1 I bet, I can expect a return of .6 * 3 players * $1 = $1.80 in the long run. That's a good deal, where I come from.

Sure, there will be times when I get burned (40% of the time, in fact), but more often than not, I'm tripling my investment.

Again, in a tourney, this is completely different, because once you go bust there, you are out... but in a cash game, you simply reload and go back to printing your $1.80 bills.

As for betting nearly the size of the pot on the flop, I did it for the EXACT reason that you said I shouldn't have. I wanted to make the two draws you mentioned make a mistake by chasing and trying to make their hands. And I did. Had I bet less, it would have been correct for them to call... Poker is all about making your opponents make mistakes.

[ytock]

i was playing in a home game last night and both times i got dealt AA i ended up losing pretty big money : (

AA just seems to be hinderance rather then a help to me

[thrash1294]

aa a hinderence?
I'll take aa everytime .what hand overr AA would you like to start with?72off