Should he be reported

[Tony Cheval]

[Talking Poker]

Wow... this thread sure has gotten "interesting."

Let me ask you this, jimmy - in the past, people have spoken of underage drinking, drug use, not reporting poker income on their taxes, downloading of copyrighted materials, etc. It's all heresay, of course, since none of us can actually see each other first hand and KNOW what people are doing behind their computer screens.

But I'm just wondering - every time someone links to a torrent site where other forum members can find the latest episode of "Lost" that they missed or "High Stakes Poker," which airs on the Game Show Network that they don't get, do you scribble down their information, track down their local police department and/or pass the information on the the FBI?

I realize you feel very strongly about this, and that's fine... but I agree with mel, here (the George Bush comments and all). It is impossible that you have ALL the information, you've completly disrespected Aeq's wishes, and IMO, you've overstepped your bounds.

Had this happened to me, I would have reported HES, yes. But it didn't. It happened to AEQ, and I respect him enough (barely ) to realize that this is his decision to make, and not mine. I thought this poll was just a simple way of asking whether people thought Aeq should report HES - not you.

I will be banning HES, yes, but again - not until this blows over a bit. If I ban him now, there is a chance he won't even see the latest in this thread and that you've reported him, let alone have a chance to respond. Maybe he doesn't even have the "right" to know that or to respond. I don't know. It's a tricky situation.

[jimmym]

TP..

Am not an overprotective person or vigilante that that frowns or remarks at every criminal offence, I feel though because we are on a poker forum and telling each other how were doing were we play when we play how much we win and lose how much weve just deposited how much bonus ect weve just had ect, and at one stage were we come from how old and when we were born, its just not on for one of our own to try and attempt to steal it.

The points you mention in the first paragraph are all down to us as individuals, if we want to download illegally or not pay taxes we know what to expect if we get caught, what this guy done and then addmitted and then asked for -rep points as a punishment from us is just not on.

I am not sure but I remember about a year and a bit ago someone attempting to hack into someones account again on our forum, I may be wrong. This guy must be reported even if nothing happens because Lou has decided not to report the crime against him. We must cover ourselfs incase it happens again, I feel better knowing that his local force know what he attempted.

Just look at the members respose to his actions, nearly all out date of births have been removed and our cities, am I the only person who is paranoid about this. Am sorry for the poll and misleading members and fuck the FBI seems over the top, but this guy isnt sorry read through his conversation with Lou and since then,,,I dont know what more to say but Sorry this really got to me..


So bloody paranoid ,,deleted everything personal about myself ,,,even my lovely moving fish Avatar

[eejit101]

the thing to think about Jimmy, is that is it any of our business? AEQ and TP are handling it, HES will be banned. I doubt hes is insane enough to try it again, if he did he KNOWS we will find out instantly, we have all the info we need from AEQ, i may be insane here, but i reckon if HES tried it with me, hed be in jail faster than you can say cat in a hat ( to quote swordfish ), i have ideas from AEQ now if this happens.

All this thread was meant to be is our representation of events, i dont feel we should in anyway interfere with things gogin on, we have our right to vote on our feelings, discuss possible repercussions on HES's actions, but in NO WAY is it our business to interfere and try to sway the mind of the prson who is the vistim (AEQ).

I feel that our vote should be seen, and the moralistic answers viewed, but who are we to tell a lawyer if to prosecute a guy for something?

[Talking Poker]

Yes, jimmy - you are being paranoid.

Lou has sensitive information saved in his very unsecure YAHOO email account. That was his mistake. Names, hometowns and birthdays are simply not enough (alone) to get entry into someone's poker account anywhere (at least none of the major sites). If they are, try getting into this account just for kicks:

Ben Affleck
August 15, 1972
Berkeley, CA

GL with that.

[holdemstewart]

nah, im done being a lil prick

[studiopet]

Based on the above post (and others from HES) ^^^^^^^^^^ - I see very little, if any, remorse.

I have a queston:

If not a moral obligation, is it not a civic obligation to protect the greater good to report a known crime to the authorities even if the victim didn't/does not want to?

Naturally - this is dependent on the crime, however, this particular one may very well have (and quite easily) turned out financially devastating to AEQ. Just google online identity theft and read some of the first hand accounts that may have started the same way this one did. People take years to recover from said instances, would it not be prudent to report this before it evolves into something more detrimental to the victim or leads to other victims? HES hase proven a will, desire and ability to commit this crime.

Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas....

-Studio-

[holdemstewart]

A desire and ability? How do I have the ability cause I got into ONE account? And now that Ive done it once Im gunna do it over and over again? No, I dont know much about computer shit, I dont have the ability, Aeq just had too much stuff in an unsecure mailbox. Most emails will be in somethin like Outlook Express. How do you expect me to get into that? Impossible, for me. The reason I could get all the information on Aeq is because he had all his information in his yahoo account profile. Name, Address, phone number, Neteller info, ect...

Nope, Dont think I really have an ability.

[SirFWALGMan]

A challenge?

[BlibbityBlabbity]

I hear "fjaylo" is his password....if that helps

[Tony Cheval]

And there you have it.

[melioris]

Chuck Norris could

[holdemstewart]

Jimmy - Make sure that when you see someone speeding, you dial 911, someone could get hurt if you dont...

[PShabi]

You're in no place to be making jokes about this. STFU.

Why hasn't this idiot been banned yet? I hate to be a little bitch about it, but I will. I won't make another post or play in another league event until he is.

I can't respect the forum.

Hate to say, "him or me" but fuck it, that's exactly what I'm saying. See you when I see you folks.

[Penguinfan]

Scroll to the very last post in that thread. See ya when we see ya I guess Pshabi, nice knowing you.

Thieves and people who idolize terrorists are much more important when a certain someones ego becomes involved.

[Talking Poker]

You know what's funny about this, Ultimatum boy? What's funny is that I HAD CHANGED THAT GUY'S USERNAME THE MINUTE I SAW IT AND PEOPLE OBJECTING TO IT. But you were so worked up about it, that you literally went on and on about having to have him banned for quite some time (hours? days? I don't remember), when you were too lazy/stupid to realize you had gotten your way BEFORE you even started all your crying - Literally, before I even saw a single crying post from you.

And these two situations are completely different anyway. In this case, we are talking about a known thief who was going to be banned anyway. In the other case, we were talking about someone who registerd a username that YOU decided you didn't like and decided to take offense to.

As for the "ego" thing, I don't even know what you are talking about, but I will tell you that this forum is a beter place since you left anyway. You're still welcoem back any time, of course, but quite frankly, I don't miss your crying, whining, and chasing around ChipFish and trying to start a fight with him every other day... not one bit.

pshabi, on the other hand.... I would miss him if he left. Oh right - must be because of that whole "clique" thing you invented, right? Not because he's a contributing member around here or anything like that, right?

[Penguinfan]

I'm sure on some level all those statements make sense together in a single post, but it may be a while before I figure it out.

As for the ego thing I'll apolagize for that, I'd even edit it but you already quoted me so there is no point.

As I have maintained, you have seriously misread me all along.

Good luck at the WSOP, I will probably introduce myself if I see you there, but acording to the above you don't want me to, or you do want me to, or you don't know if you want me to, or..........

[bunny]

I'm sure TP will eventually ban him, but it still might not keep him away from here. He'll find a way to come back under a different name.

What some of you are doing though, is worse. By giving him any type of attention, this will only feed his ego and give him more recognition and power. You don't want to do that. That's what he craves for. So please just stop the hate, which he seems to thrive on.

Do what I did and just ignore him. He'll get bored and just fade off and leave on his own.

ps: Don't you dare leave, Shabi.

[Tony Cheval]

Dude, TP already said he was going to ban HES, but not while all this drama is going on, chill.

[Talking Poker]

Thanks for having a little faith. Much appreciated.

It's done. So everyone can unwad their panties now, ok?

[Talking Poker]

No need to worry about this. He's gone. And he won't be back (unless he physically moves, but there is only so much I can do at this time - and I've done it all).

[Talking Poker]

Well, this is stupid. And you're COMPLETELY missing the point of why he hasn't been banned YET. But whatever.

I'll go do it now if people are going to start crying about it. It was coming in the next 24-48 anyway.

And oh goody... now that I've responded to this ultimatum (at least that's how it seems), I can't wait to see all the other demans that start rolling in. Thanks for that, shabi.

In the future - do me a favor and trust that I'm not a complete idiot and I know what I'm doing, ok? Cause when you say you don't respect the forum, we all know that really means you don't respect me.

[bunny]

I think you misunderstood what he said. I think he meant he doesn't want to be in the same forum where the "stupid teen" is in, hence the non respecting of forum. Has nothing to do with respecting you. As I've read from numerous posts, Shabi likes you and respects you, immensely.

As for the ultimatum, I agree with you. It was wrong of Shabi to give you an ultimatum, I'm sure he'll apologize to you for that soon enough. Right... Shabi?

TalkingPoker: I think Shabi might have missed your post in which you stated you were going to ban holdemstewart, soon.

Sad how one little jerk can upset a whole forum.

[Talking Poker]

I understand what you are saying, but where does one draw the line? What if someone decided they didn't like {insert name here} because he was annoying and dropped the whole "It's him or me" line? Or what if it was for some other reason - like someone called someone else a name or something like that?

This forum is a community, and especially as it grows, there are going to be people in the community who don't like each other. But they are going to have to learn how to get along or to ignore each other. It's impossible for everyone in a group this size to be all hugs and kisses and love each other all the time.

I realize this was an extreme situation, as we had an admittd thief in our community. But as I said, the banning was coming anyway - I was just letting things wrap up for a couple of days first. In the future, I'd hope people would respect my decisions a little more, before dropping the "It's him or me" crap.

I'm out for the day... so hopefully this post will be wrapping things up and not making them worse. Because I'm not going to be around for a while to clean up the mess. GL mods

[PShabi]

Rereading my post and seeing how TP reacted to it makes me regret posting it. My post didn't represent my TRUE feelings at the time. I've been away from the forum for a few days, and admittedly I haven't read the thread, post for post, that closely. I scanned the "important" stuff for the juicy shit.

Anyway, I do remember TP saying he was going to "eventually" be banned. When I got home and saw a post by Stewie, admitting guilt, I figured there was no reason to not have banned him yet.

This morning, I talked to Mayhem on AIM. He said he thought TP had left town and wouldn't be back for a week. Not sure if this is true or what. So, when I came in this morning and read Stewie's smug posts all over the board, I got a little pissed. Figuring the moron would be around until TP got back (a week's a long time) I flipped a little.

But what I really meant and felt was: "I know TP is gonna drop this bitch when he gets back, but I'm not gonna be around until he does."

I could see how you would react negatively to my "respect" issues, TP. That was a definite poor choice of words and me acting on impulse. I take that back, and you know damn well I respect you. If I should "know" you better than that, then you should "know" me better than that too.

The last line of my post is very assholish (rereading for the 3rd time, I'm embarrased).

Fact is, I knew he'd be gone, as a show of my "character" (debatable) I was going to take a leave of absence until TP got things taken care of.

My pension for drama and my inflamed emotions made me say things that I shouldn't have.

Sorry to everyone.