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09-12-06, 12:40 PM
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Wish I could support, unfortunately I don't vote in the US nor do I have a zip code. But no talk at all about this in Canada so we should be ok. Of course, our current PM Harper, is another Blair on Bush IMO so anything is possible.
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09-12-06, 01:00 PM
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I definitely don't understand how some of you non-US citizens think this doesn't affect you. If the fish from the U.S. aren't able to get their money online to play poker, just who are you going to play? Sure, there are other players in the world, but this would be a devestating blow to online poker worldwide.
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09-12-06, 01:45 PM
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Not to get off on a rant here, but...
1. There is no "Bill to ban online poker." The DOJ, both in the Bush and Clinton adminstrations has long asserted that online gambling is forbidden federally by the Wire Act. The courts have repeatedly ruled that it is not. In the US, gambling is regulated at the State level, not at the federal level. Constitutionally, the feds have zero jurisdiction. 2. The bills in question are meant to restrict the use of US financial instruments (like credit cards issued by US banks) for funding online gambling. This is pure window dressing. 95% of US credit card banks have been self-regulated for at least 5 years. You already can't use a US credit card at a poker site. 3. The US has no authority over NETeller, which is a Canadian company. Not only that, but since NETeller can be used for any number of transactions, deposits in would not be subject to any blockade based on these bills. 4. The WTO has already begun to fight any action the US DOJ takes against the offshore entities. Their legal position is that the US has no right under the WTO agreements to restrict these online businesses. 5. Finally, and most important. Even if this bill is passed and signed, enforcement will be problematic, the sites will find work arounds, and the constitutional issues will keep this in litigation for years, thus rendering an already toothless enforcement provision ($10M for fighting a multi-billion dollar industry) - see the above referenced article by Allyn Jaffrey Shulman. Bottom line is this. We need to stay vocal and not only tell our elected officials what we think, but also tell the online gaming industry to start pumping cash into lobbying efforts. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but there is no need to panic. The sky is not falling.
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09-12-06, 03:25 PM
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Don't take this wrong, but you've said absolutely nothing that I don't already know.
But please don't be so naive to think that there are no problems ahead for online poker. Take a look at what's going on out there just because this legislation EXISTS - PKR, PokerChamps, etc. are no longer accepting U.S. players. Yes, they are overreacting, but their overreaction affects me. The bottom line is this: It is better to be proactive than to sit back and do nothing. Pick up the phone. |
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09-12-06, 04:41 PM
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I think maybe I over reacted because I thought the tone was becoming as shrill as I recalll from 2+2 3 years ago and earlier this year. Again, if everyone reads the Jaffrey article, it will be clear that even if this Senate bill passes, the result will be a minor pain in the ass for some players, but online poker playing in the US will not suddenly die.
Now, just because I say that doesn't mean i don't think we should pay attention. We should. So I'm going to step up on my political soap box just once, because I want my participation on this forum to be about discussing poker, not politics like it became on 2+2. Just once. Everyone. if you want to protect all your freedoms, including your freedom to play poker, here are 2 *don'ts*, one *do* and one website. DON'T VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS DON'T VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS DO VOTE FOR LIBERTARIANS <rant off>
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09-18-06, 10:03 AM
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I hope this helped the cause, thank you for your efforts.....and have fun in prison....
 
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