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Old 01-23-08, 01:36 AM
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Default Maximum sustainable BB/100 for 200NL full ring???

I am wondering what the maximum sustainable BB/100 is when massively multitabling 200NL full ring. At this point I've sustained 2BB/100 over 62,000 hands playing 12 to 15 tables at a time on stars. What do you guys think? I know a guy who has sustained 2.5BB/100 over 1.5million hands on stars. I'm thinking you could sustain 3BB/100 or 3.5BB/100 if you were playing nearly mistake free poker. Anything higher is prob just wishful thinking.
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Old 01-23-08, 02:07 AM
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I think it depends on the limits your are playing. The higher the limit, the lower the sustainable BB/100.

I'd love to know what the established "norms" are for this though ("norms" for winning players, not averages) - for full ring, 6 max, HU, and for various limits. Surely some of the 2+2 peeps have done some crazy analysis and come up with results, no?

Someone in the know, share what ya got.
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Old 01-23-08, 07:41 AM
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The stars pros playing 10 to 12 tables of full ring 200NL are running roughly 2BB/100
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The real question is why the fuck would you ever want to do this?
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Old 01-23-08, 01:04 PM
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Um..... for the monies?

At 200 NL, 2 BB/100 = $4/100 (or is that ptBB? Is it really $8/100?) * say 60 hands per hour (I don't play full ring, so I don't know) = ~$2.50 per hour per table. Play 10 tables and you're making $25 per hour.

It's not exactly glamourous or big bucks, but that's fairly easy money and very low risk.

Of course, I'd rather 8 table 6 max games (100 hands per hour per table (800 > 600)), but to each their own.
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I know one player on stars that I've only ever really seen him play on 200NL Full that made Supernova Elite.

If he makes 2-3 bb/100 plus the FPP rakeback, and all the VPP milestone bonuses it could add up. If you make it to Supernova Elite, you would get, 21.5k in milestone bonuses. Entry to the $2500 WCOOP main event, entry to two live events. If you pick the packages worth the most, the Monte Carlo EPT Main Event, and WSOP ME....those two packages are worth roughly 31k. Also assume that you were getting FPPs at 3.5x (Supernova rate - for the entire year), that's 3.5 Mill Fpps = roughly 56.4k if you use concierge service or 52.5k if you get cash bonuses.

Assuming you were just a break even player for the entire year. Just getting SNE is worth roughly 107.5k to 111.4k/year - about 75k of that would be strictly cash. Of course you would have had to pay about an enormous amount of rake and put in a ridiculous amount of table hours to achieve that.

I'm not suggesting that this is the best way for people to make money. Most people would go insane before they can grind it out like this.

All these numbers are for making SNE last year. There has been a few changes this year that actually gives players better options / more money.
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Jesus Christ I would rather jam push pins in my eye for 25 bucks an hour.
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The Storm is known for making some crazy prop bets....... this could be interesting
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Count me in for $25, please. Best... hour... ever!!!

Don't get me wrong - I don't think this sounds like the most exciting way to make money through poker either, but a lot of people reading this right now don't make $25 per hout at their day job, let alone from playing poker in the underwear. You could do worse.

(And I still don't know if the 2 BB/100 is referring to Big BLINDS or Big BETS)
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Old 01-23-08, 02:56 PM
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I believe sometime in early 2007 a PT update changed the whole PTBB/100 (big bets) to BB/100 (big blinds). This is one reason why everyone at 2+2 thinks they are poker gods, because they don't keep good enough records to realize they think they are winning twice as much as they are.
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OK, let's figure this out. For NL200 ($1/$2 blinds), I am up $1535.30 this month through 2446 hands (don't worry - I'm down in NL400). So, in real life, speaking in Big BLINDS / 100 (the easier way to think about this), that's $1535.30/2 = 767.65 Big Blinds / 24.46 = 31.38 Big Blinds/100.

Yet PT tells me I'm running at 15.69 BB/100, so it is obviously referring to Big BETS / 100.

So while that means the 2p2 guys are as good as they think they are, it actually means I'm twice as good as I thought I was

So........................ the $25 per hour discussed above is actually $50 per hour. Probably still not enough to keep Mayhem from jabbing pushpins in his eyes, but you never know.

Better yet: 3 BB/100 at NL200 = $12/100. Playing 600 hands per hour, you're making $72 per hour. Not too shabby.

Someone please correct me if my math/logic is wrong anywhere here.
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It's PT BB's. So big bets. 2BB/100 is $8. You actually run about 70 hands per table per hour on avg in full ring based on my estimates(mixing fast and regular speed). That equates to $72 an hour. There are very few things you can do and get paid $72 per hour(using 60 hands per table per hour to be safe and I 15 table.) not to mention adding fpp's or rakeback on top depending on site.
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I have to say... this is pretty much dead on. I may have added the word "extremely" before lazy, but other than that, spot on...
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Yeah... I have to say, I don't really get Mayhem's "line" here. If he's earning more than $72 per hour from poker or otherwise, .
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