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Old 12-23-04, 03:50 PM
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Default Michael Vick

Just signed a contract.

10 years, $100 million plus 35 million in bonuses.

So much for spending wisely and salary caps.
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Old 12-23-04, 04:00 PM
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yikes, thats a big one

michael vick is the most dangerous player in professional sports!
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Old 12-23-04, 04:19 PM
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Default Vick is certainly a great player ...

but how about drawing the lines, say, five years and 60 mil instead? 10 years is a ridiculous length of a contract -- it's great for him to be able to end his career in Atl, but there's no way he'll be your starting QB in 2015, meaning you are going to be eating an awful lot of that to buy him out six or seven years down the road.
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nice payday
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Old 12-23-04, 05:23 PM
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Don't shoot me please...

who's michael Vick? This football?

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That's an outrageous contract, 10 years for anybody in any sport is insane, never mind a football quarterback.
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Default 10yrs / $100m? Wow.

Gawd-damn. That's a nice little bankroll. I don't think anyone in the league is worth that kind of money. He's a great player, but is he worth all that?

I agree Vick is a high-performance QB, but he's also a risk taker. He's exactly the type of guy I DON'T want to sign for that much (and for that many years) because it's more likely he'll get injured before he's able to retire at his own will.

Big move on Atlanta's part, either way.
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Old 12-24-04, 02:02 AM
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no one is worth that much money for that period of time in football.

i love watching vick play, but he is just too reckless to be able to hold up for that long. of course this will just be restructured a hundred times for salary cap purposes, but this is still a ridiculous contract.
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Old 12-24-04, 03:08 AM
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why would you give someone like vick a contract like that. theres bound to be more years like last year.
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The reason it is a 10 year deal is to spread the cap. I know $130 million is a lot to spend on a 24 year old, but in my books he along with McNabb, Brady and Manning are all worthy of being the highest paid player in the league. Vick is actually the type of player to build an offense around, and IMO they don't really need a guy like Warrick Dunn. He is a QB/RB. I say he's the most influential player of his time, a new breed of QB. I'd rather go with a B grade RB, save a few million and sign a decent receiver to aid his passing game so he can spread the field even more.
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Regarding your tagline...
I had a hot 29 year old Business Exec when I was 21.
So Godly, it does not make.

Although you still get a nice high five!
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(nfl contracts are not guaranteed guys)
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Old 12-28-04, 03:32 PM
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Exactly, that's why he got so much up front as a bonus (30+ million).

This is a case of the Falcons locking him down and banking on his marketability as well as his athleticism. Every kid got a Vick jersey this Christmas and every network will want to televise the Falcons. They will recoup their money, don't worry.

Vick is certainly the new prototype of QB. The interesting thing is if he'll stay healthy enough to continue playing the way he does. One knee injury and he may have to learn to be a drop back passer.
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the issue isnt their ability to recoup their money at all. plus, they have to split the money gained from merchandising (ie jersey sales) with the rest of the teams in the league. the cowboys are the only team in the league that controls all of their merchandising revenues.

the real problem with the vick contract is that it has the potential to hamstring the falcons in the future. at some point, they will have to face the fact that vicks deal will take up a ridiculous percentage of their money under the cap, and their entire team will suffer.
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Old 12-28-04, 06:55 PM
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he deserves every dollar he gets
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Old 12-28-04, 11:19 PM
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i pretty much think that every player or person in any industry should get every dollar they get. if someone is willing to pay you a certain amount, then that is what you are worth, right?

more power to them all.
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Sorry for infiltrating this post, but....
LMAO! Never mind. Went out with her Monday. I pick the biggest fucking teases in the world every single time. First she helps me "try on a belt", then she sprays women's perfume on me and takes a big whiff of me, then I tell her this and that and she says "Dude, I have a boyfriend". LMFAO, after she said that I put back about 9 MORE rum and pepsi's and slept giggling like a school girl. But actually, the more I think about it I could've gotten the shit kicked out of me if anyone saw this going on because it was at the Eaton's Centre and it was rammed.

Michael Vick, best player in the NFL IMO. If anyone is worth that kind of money, it is an NFL player, and why not the best player.
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Old 12-30-04, 05:57 AM
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michael vick is particularly noteworthy though, the guy brings in an assload of cash for that franchise


with jerseys, overall ticket sales, etc
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Old 12-31-04, 01:50 PM
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he helps with ticket sales, but the money from the jersey sales goes to the league, and then is redistributed to every team, not just the falcons, so his impact there for the team is minimal.

in a no salary cap world he is worth every penny, but if this contract hamstrings the falcons then it is no good.
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I don't know the specifics of the contract, but it is my understanding that the way they structered it actually helps them with the cap.
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I don't think Vick is worth that much money nor do I think he will be around in 10 years. His style of play is injury prone and his longevity is questionable. He will definitely lose his speed in 4 or 5 years and will have to become a pocket passer if he is going to be successful after that time.

The bottom line is that if Atlanta did not pay him that much, some team would have.
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Only way I think Vick is worth it is how much money he makes the Flacons. He isn't the best QB in the league but with his jersey sales and how many people he can get to come watch him play he is worth it tohe the franchise. Think about what they have without him. Noone would come watch them play.
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Im sorry. Im from hotlanta, in fact i am at Georgia Tech. THis man is completely worth 100 million over 10 years. Do you understand what happens to the georgia dome because he is in town. It sells out. Vick merchandise?? Everywhere! And vick jerseys arent exactly cheap. Oh, and by the way he is a winner. season, 11-5 i believe? And what did he do to the Rams tonight??? A winning nfl team generates more revenue than you can imagine. Believe me, owners dont play players because they like them. Owners pay players because having them helps them make the money. Owning a team is an investment.
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Oh and by the way, contracts arent set in stone, the only thing he was really guaranteed was the siging bonus which was the most ever payed to a pro football player, like 38 mill or something. He coudl still be traded in the future.

Go VICK, you da man!
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