Thoughts on Cardinals vs Phillies

GTDawg · #1 05-04-10, 12:23 PM

Justified or no?

JDMcNugent7 · #2 05-04-10, 02:26 PM

haha was watchin that. Ya justified, I dn how anyone says its not. It's not justified to run on the field either thats for sure. Players/coaches have been beaten up before from fans running on the field, who knows what some weirdo might have planned. Probably nothing, but he's still running on the field illegally so I'd still taser him

Reel Deal · #3 05-04-10, 02:29 PM

No. That's fucking ridiculous and the cop should be canned. It's excessive force, just tackle the kid for crying out loud. If he appears to have a weapon or appears to be out to hurt someone on the field, then different story; but absent of that, it's excessive force.

JDMcNugent7 · #4 05-04-10, 02:32 PM

Tasering is so much more fun than tackling though. I still think it's no big deal that he tased him and that everyone saying omg excessive force is pretty ridiculous. He's running around on the damn field which everyone knows is illegal, you think the cops are going to go hug you and gently carry you away?

Reel Deal · #5 05-04-10, 05:06 PM

It's just a kid running around that doesn't appear to be a threat to anyone... if the police are going to use something as forceful as a taser on a citizen there had better be a threat to someone to justify the use. Tasers have caused serious injury, even death, so I don't think their use should be taken lightly. What's next? Shoot the guy in the leg just because he's running around on a ball field?

That Hangover stungun scene is awesome tho.

GTDawg · #6 05-04-10, 10:20 PM

If we replaced "baseball stadium" with any other business, would the police or security be as forgiving about a drunk person illegally trespassing while running around and evading them?

Office building, restaurant, bank, courtroom, mall, whatever

JDMcNugent7 · #7 05-04-10, 10:33 PM

No and it's ridiculous people are freaking out about this. Also another fan ran on the field tonight, this time no taser action

PShabi · #8 05-04-10, 10:54 PM

Bullshit. He's trespassing and resisting arrest. Tase away.

Reel Deal · #9 05-04-10, 11:38 PM

Wow, I'm surprised... I thought most of you all would say fuck the cops.

It's funny because my first reaction was, "yeah, tase that stupid punk." But the more I thought about it I just didn't think the force used to stop him matched the threat. I'm still somewhat on the fence. It's an interesting question to think about where is the line where it is OK for the police to use a taser. Should they be free as soon as someone starts to resist or evade arrest? Some people resist but are relatively passive about it, should they get tased? I just think from the video I saw in this case the kids was obviously goofing around and wasn't a threat to anyone, hence a taser is excessive. But, meh, I don't know.

GTDawg · #10 05-05-10, 12:00 AM

When does he become a threat? When he gets within 30 feet of a player? When he gets within 20 feet? When he is within an arm's length? After he tackles a player? I am perfectly ok with not playing this "what if" game after another player/coach/umpire is attacked.

Looking at the situation NOW, yes he seems to be a drunk kid that is screwing around because he wants to be an attention whore. At the time, I am really not sure how people can just say "well, he's just goofing around"....how do you tell?

He is knowingly breaking the law by trespassing. And, I'm going to assume that there were repeated warnings that he disobeyed and ignored.

After the Tom Gamboa and Laz Diaz attacks, I have no sympathy for someone just goofing around by running on the field.

And, I look at it like Shabi. He's knowingly breaking the law and resisting efforts to detain him. In any other location known to man, the cops would not be nearly as forgiving. But, for whatever reason, people are allowed to act like goofballs as long as they aren't hurting anyone even though they are trespassing and resisting arrest.

Talking Poker · #11 05-05-10, 01:31 AM

I'm fine with it. He clearly knew what he was doing was illegal (he actually called his Dad and asked permission before doing it, telling him it was a once in a lifetime opportunity) and he was resisting arrest. Tase away.

That said, I think the rules should be different during rain delays when there are no players on the field. Let the guy slip and slide into every base on the tarp and then tackle him at home. No need for tasering there.