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10-25-04, 06:45 PM
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Josh Arieh (WSOP04) - Conduct
I like many others enjoyed watching the WSOP on TV. I really enjoyed watching all my favourite players and how they handled the biggest event of the year.
There was a few (well alot) of things that really pissed me off this year though. The amount of players showing no class whatsoever when losing or winning hands. The most famous case being how Josh Arieh conducted himself over the event. Never have I seen someone tarnish the name of poker so much as him and his actions over the event. A few times he made gestures and curses about how people "dared" call him 'all in' with hands that were better than his! He mouths off how great he is yet 3-4 times he stayed alive with lucky come from behind beats on bad calls. The classic moment was when Harry Demetriou (A really quiet, unassuming pro) from England went all in with the best hand and Josh out flopped him in the hand and starting berating him and jumping about like he was the king. After you just took a million pot there are ways to do things, and rubbing someone's nose in it and saying they made a bad call when they didnt is lame. He later said sorry to Harry (in person at Aurau and on forums) but he apologises for doing it to him, not what he said. He showed a few other times how not do do things and make himself look a brat. The next hand be knocked out Harry with A7 vs AK did Harry whine? Mattias Andersson is another one, who to a lesser extent needs to grow up and learn not to run about screaming everytime he wins a hand. On the other hand GREG "FOSSILMAN" RAYMER took every bad beat well, but also took every victory with class, going up to the player shaking their hands and saying "well played" etc..Manners dont cost a penny people.. If your going to play mind games at least Marcel Luske does it with class! Anyone see him singing at the tables knows what I mean. He's a gentleman on and off the table and took his bad beats like a man. John Murphy shows you young players can show respect for the game and other players without having lots of experiance of live events. I know I might be biased mainly due to the fact in Europe your not allowed to talk during hands. It maintains the level of respect and cuts out the wise cracks. There is a place for chatting and having fun between hands. Do others believe Josh Arieh acted without class? or is it just me. |
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#2
10-25-04, 07:05 PM
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Remember that alot of these players are cocky for a reason....
To win, you have to believe you are the best. Some are brash and downright rude... Others act with class at all times.... Sometimes it's just an act, and other times they really are mannerless. If I know that belittling someone at the table will cause him or others to play a little off their game, I'll do just that... Not always, but sometimes.... Whatever works right? Sometimes there is alot of money at stake.... We also have to remember that ESPN only shows us what they want us to see also.... I am sure there were plenty of times he shook hands gratiously after knocking a player out that they chose to omit. |
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#3
10-25-04, 07:15 PM
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yeah both of you are right. Josh shouldnt have been such an asshole to Harry D, but ESPN does show a very biased view of all of the hands. One hand Josh was outplayed by a guy who had a set, josh went all in with an open ended straight draw, and when he hit it on the river he seemed ashamed that he won the hand... ESPN just shows us the most emotional and extreme hands that occur, because airing the less emotional hands would get them a lot less viewers.
-jB |
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#4
10-25-04, 07:21 PM
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I thought Arieh completely lost his mind under the pressure in that hand with Demitriou. Mattias Anderson was simply annoying as hell with his over the top reactions to knocking people out. Finally, I like watching Murphy play but how do you oversleep when you are the chip leader??
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10-25-04, 08:52 PM
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i find this somewhat amusing. the idea that the image of poker could possibly be tarnished by any of these events anyways seems ludicrous.
i didnt realize that poker all of the sudden had a clean image because it was popular on espn and the travel channel. |
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10-25-04, 09:03 PM
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I've read some pro's saying he is a good guy away from the table, and that he just let his emotions get the best of him. If I was in his position at the final table I would have been pissed to at Raymer. Raymer won alot of big hands when he was the underdog and got lucky. I personally think Josh is a putz. But I constantly belittle other people at the table if there pissing me off. Besides ESPN could make anyone look like a ass with enough editing.
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10-25-04, 11:12 PM
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Alot of people watched the WSOP on TV this year. They see people shouting, jumping up, being total pricks, showing no class, rubbing players faces in big loses and think wow cool I will do that.
WSOP 2005 - 1000 clones all acting like a brat, becasue they can and nothing was done about it. |
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#8
10-25-04, 08:58 PM
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Good post Taja. I agree with you...
Raymer is a GREAT example of a champion. He acted with class from beginning to end. A lot of people think he was underserving, and of course he got lucky throughout the tournament (you HAVE to to win that one!), but I thought he played very well and was a class act.... just like I'm gonna be when I'm world champion. |
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10-26-04, 12:03 PM
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Raymer showed class, but in my opinion, was kissing a little too much ass. It got sick after a while. Also, if you watched the tournament of champions, it proved to me that Raymer got very, very lucky in the WSOP main event. He played horribly at the TOC. How do you call an all in bet preflop with 89os and you're stack isn't that small?
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