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junYUN · #1 03-19-05, 04:05 PM

PokerStars Game #1382136358: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) -
2005/03/19 - 16:00:16 (ET)
Table 'Parysatis' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: ansel5 ($39.10 in chips)
Seat 3: cdgolfer ($19.65 in chips)
Seat 4: MARGHITA ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Mustäng² ($8.90 in chips)
Seat 6: xanthin ($7.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Tina18 ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 8: junYUN ($18.45 in chips)
Seat 9: doulas12 ($24.90 in chips)
Tina18: posts small blind $0.10
junYUN: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to junYUN [Jc Td]
doulas12: folds
ansel5: folds
cdgolfer: folds
MARGHITA: calls $0.25
Mustäng²: folds
xanthin: calls $0.25
Tina18: folds
junYUN: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 8c Tc]
junYUN: bets $0.75
MARGHITA: folds
xanthin: raises $6.85 to $7.60 and is all-in
junYUN: calls $6.85
had him on a flush draw here which was correct
*** TURN *** [4s 8c Tc] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [4s 8c Tc 6h] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
junYUN: shows [Jc Td] (a pair of Tens)
xanthin: shows [5c Ac] (a straight, Four to Eight)
xanthin collected $15.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.05 | Rake $0.80
Board [4s 8c Tc 6h 7s]
Seat 2: ansel5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cdgolfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MARGHITA folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Mustäng² folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xanthin (button) showed [5c Ac] and won ($15.25) with a
straight, Four to Eight
Seat 7: Tina18 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: junYUN (big blind) showed [Jc Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: doulas12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

ChipFish · #2 03-19-05, 04:52 PM

You still should have folded in my opinion.
A pair of 10s with a Jack kicker is not a strong hand.
You were correct to raise with it... But should have folded to the re-raise.

It does kind of suck how you lost the hand...
But let's face it.... You were probably in trouble calling that raise.

Tough one though.

Side question:
Does anyone believe that calling this raise would have been correct on Party?
I do.

Talking Poker · #3 03-19-05, 06:45 PM

Easy fold. Too many ways to lose.

junYUN · #4 03-20-05, 01:40 PM

i dont think it was that easy of a fold, if i had the best hand and it held up i woulda won

just sucks the WAY i lost it...if it had been a club i woulda been fine with that but runner runner straight...lol

Aequitas58 · #5 03-20-05, 02:21 PM

I agree w/ you that it was a bad call... if it was on Party, I would still fold in that spot. Like you said, Tens with a jack kicker isn't strong. Even on Party.

EDITED TO ADD: I don't consider this a bad beat. TO ME, a bad beat happens when you have a very strong hand get beaten by some type of suckout. Sure, Jun was ahead (percentage-wise) when the money went in... but his hand wasn't particularly strong to begin w/.

ChipFish · #6 03-20-05, 02:35 PM

I agree.

Talking Poker · #7 03-20-05, 03:32 PM

Is this ever not true?

Honestly, I don't see the difference. Winning is winning and losing is losing. Just because he hit a card in the group of fewer outs instead of a card in the group of more outs... I don't really see what difference it makes.

With that said.......... I really do see the difference. I know what that feels like. But I still would have folded and waited for a better time. I need a pretty good hand to CALL an all-in bet.

junYUN · #8 03-22-05, 07:07 PM

i would have never made this play in a tourny of course but it was a ring game and with the possibility of re-buying i dont think this is a particularly bad play, plus, it was HIM all in not me.

Talking Poker · #9 03-22-05, 07:15 PM

Very good point.... I had tourney play on the brain.