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Old 11-09-08, 07:50 AM
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Default Staking/getting staked, specific to PTP

I know a few of you here visit PTP and some of you are even quite active over there. I have been trying to understand the whole thing and have a massive $300 total invested over there, so clearly I an new at it and some things I don't understand.

It seems to me that a lot of the players people are very quick to back simply aren't very good. Maybe they picked up a big score somewhere and that makes them popular, but if you look at their OPR stats they simply don't cash often enough to make them a good horse.

Example, and I will leave the names out (and honestly I am not bashing here, just trying to understand).

Player A puts up a BAP for $6000 and it sells out fairly quickly, I look up his OPR and has a -18% ROI for the past year, WHAT? How does a year long LOSING player sell out a BAP for 6K in less than three days? What am I missing there?


Player B whom I have money invested in so I am railing from time to time is WAY behind on two BAP's (busted the first one for over $3500 and has less than $1500 left of the second $4000 one). Now, railing him earlier I watch him call two people all in in front of him with 44 and survive to win the hand ( I see him do several things like this as well, but he's a winning player so I don't question it). When someone does question him about those plays he says that he has played with those players before and knows how large their range is. Does thier range include 2-3?

Now Player B, again is losing almost all of other peoples $7500, is on the bubble of a $320 buy in with an above average stack and calls off his stack with 77 when two players, including the chip leader shove in front of him. He busts out and again says he knows how large thier range is so the play was correct.

He does this twice in the same night, missing the money by two spots the second time. Again he had a top 15 stack when he does it. Simply cashing the bottom spot of both of those games gets his investors back almost half their money (from the second BAP at least).


My question, and I am willing to be wrong here, but isn't he kind of obligated to make sure he cashes here before making a play like that? I guess I think since he had a top 15 stack he could have easily went deep with or without doubling up there and feel he owed it to his backers to recover some of thier money.



We all know Brian is/was a tool and claims that once he pays people back he will again be putting up BAPs because other people have rolled and sell out $10K BAPs, if this is true doesn't it speak poorly of the community overall?

Thoughts on PTP?
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