Poker is sex

[Talking Poker]

This hits it on the head. I won't restate the advice already given in this thread (all good), but I will add that folding bottom set may not have been quite as good a laydown as you think it was. It's impossible to say without more info (was the board KhQhJhTx8x and you had 88?), but more often than not, folding a set isn't a "great play."

[X-Longshot-X]

The thing i dont understand. I got him to make a mistake twice right? He called with the worst hand preflop....that doesnt bother me, my opponents can call all day with KJ when i have QQ....why should i mind? Not only did i get him to make this "mistake" but i got him to commit his last chips with K high. I just dont see why you wouldnt want your opponent to call with KJ preflop when you have QQ....are you really scared you are going to be outflopped that often?

[Reel Deal]

No, his first call of your RR wasn't a mistake.

No, but it sure seems to be bothering you, otherwise why post this? In all honesty, this beat is very standard.

[X-Longshot-X]

3 outers are standard? mmk

[Reel Deal]

I give up.

[Talking Poker]

He doesn't get it. In my experience, a lot of new poker players think that the best hand is supposed to win 100% of the time, even thought it's very rarely a 100% favorite. Like, when they get all in preflop with AA vs xx, they think they are supposed to win 100% of the time, and when they lose once in a while, they forget about ll the times they won in that spot and start babbling about poker being rigged.

This is why Penguinfan left us, because he couldn't get this through his head and refused to try to learn. (starting at Post #6), which gives a great example of what we are talking about here.

I guess I have trouble understanding how people don't understand math. The best hand isn't always supposed to win!!!

[X-Longshot-X]

I never said the best hand was supposed to win every time....i know suckouts happen....but i say this is how im running....which i am.....while playing good poker....which i am.....Its a bad beat....thats why its here

[Spuddy]

I can admit I'm that way, and I'm still a fairly new poker player to online and cash games (besides home games of course).

I think that just about sums it up. You can't win everytime with AA,KK,QQ,etc. Even though you'd love too. Play the hand correctly, and you should be up in the LONG run (not short term)

[Talking Poker]

I don't know what mmk means, but yes, 3 outers are standard. From the flop, he's got about a 12% chance to win, and he's way less of a dog preflop (I know you still would havecalled it a 3 outer if the money went in there). Get in this situation 100 times and you're going to lose about 12 of them. You're supposed to.

And like I said, if he had turned over A2 here (or A9 which has you drawing to running queens), I wonder what your take on the hand would be then.

[Talking Poker]

You're missing the math. Let's look at a simple example, and see if it helps:

Blinds are 10/20. You each have 1000 stacks. You have AA, which we all agree is the best hand.

Opponent min raises to 40. You min reraise to 60. Opponent calls.

Now stop. You just got him to put in an extra 20 chips with a hand worse than yours. So by your logic, he made a mistake, right? Wrong! YOU just made the mistake. And here's why:

Before you reraised, there was already 60 in the pot. Your raise made it 100 and you were asking opponent to call only 20 more chips. you were giving him 5:1 odds! Opponent is correct to call for this price with any two cards (and with most hands, even if he knew you had AA!), and that's not even factoring in the implied odds of when he flops a set on you and you give him the rest of your chips with your overpair, etc. Get it?

In your example, yeah, he got really lucky when he put all his chips in with QQ, but on't say you played it beautifully, because you didn't. You made a mistake preflop. You gave him a nice price to see a flop with KJ. With the range of hands he should have put you on, he's correct to call there, even though he ended up only having one overcard.

Also, and this is something that no one has mentioned yet.... Let's say opponent turned over A2 (and he certainly could have had an Ace). Would you still think that you played it correctly? Would you have posted this hand and would you still like your flop play? Somehow, I doubt it.

[Kurn]

he did not make a mistake preflop. HU and the pot is offering him 2.33:1 he is easily a money favorite vs your range.

Its even borderline to say he made a FTOP error preflop. He was a 2.44:1 dog vs the precise hand you held. There is way more than an additional 4.6% equity in implied odds there.

[Reel Deal]

Don't bother Kurn.

[Talking Poker]

Seriously... you might as well be writing in Latin. He doesn't get the most basic of principles, so no way is he going to get the numbers or understand "ranges" and "implied odds" and such. Let it go.

He's not the best, mind you, but he's really good. Very little room for improvement there...

[X-Longshot-X]

Wow, you guys really dont want to let anything go. I understand a lot more about the game of poker than people give me credit for. But ive said that and it doesnt matter....im obviously going to have to play 2/4 before i can even have a shot at being considered good

[Talking Poker]

Your roll and the limits you play have nothing to do with people's opinion of your game. The hands you post have a LITTLE to do with it. It's your failure to understand when we explain the errors you are making and your insistence that you are "playing good" when you clearly are not that makes us think what we do.

Did you read that link to the post I made way back when? If not, you should. It explains exactly why you think you're better than we think you are. Basically, it boils down to you not knowing any better.

I just think it's a shame you aren't willing to accept that and to try to learn, so you can improve.

[Reel Deal]

*yawn*