Sjay's HU Guide Part I-reborn?

[Talking Poker]

Very nice post. It's a shame the tl;dr crowd will miss this. I think it's worth reading multiple times, honestly.

While I consider you a much stronger HU player than I am, I was actually surprised to see how much of this I agree with - pretty much all of it.... ESPECIALLY the part where you talk about shoving (5th bet) with KK, QQ, and AK, but only calling with JJ, TT, and AA. I think your logic around that is flawless.

I also agree with your postflop analysis too. You wrote it better than I could have, but as I read through it, I was seriously surprised about how similarly we play HU. I had you pegged as much more aggressive than me, but now I'm not so sure. I suspect I should be playing oesd's and big flush draws harder than I do on the flop.... Which brings me to this question:

Assuming deep stacks and a preflop raise, (decent pot), if you bet 8 or more outs on the flop and get raised, what do you do? How often do you reraise vs. shove vs. just call? If you need to make up numbers for the pot and stacks and break down the difference between holding 87 on an A56 rainbow flop vs. AhTh on a Jh7h2x flop, go for it. Otherwise, assume the reraise would put 25-50% of your stack in the middle and you've got a fairly big draw, but not a huge one.... ie, 8-12 outs, but not 15+. We're on the button and just got check raised. And please answer vs. LAGs especially, but I guess vs. everyone else too.

Damn... that's kind of a tall order. I suppose that's complex enough to be it's own thread entirely, but you broke down the rest of your HU play so well, I'll bet you could explain this too.

Any chance we can get you to make a HU video sometime?

[PShabi]

Fuck you. I already read it.

Gotta spread some rep around.

[sjay2k]

If I get check-raised with 87 on a A56 flop, I'll shove because our opponent's cr is usually a bluff (people usually check-call with an Ace). In fact I quite often shove with air here.

AThh on a Jh7h2x flop... probably shove because we have decent fold equity, we can beat a lower flush draw and we're in decent shape against most hands.

[Boobie Lover]

Very good wrapup. I will say though that against very aggressive opponent with I smooth call with AK because everyone thinks you are full of shit when an ace flops.

[lightfungus]

To get a general idea of what you guys do, what percentage of preflop hands, regardless of situation or position, are you folding heads up? Or I guess a better question is what is your VPIP heads up?

[JDMcNugent7]

I generally agree, my play is more aggressive though, but I think ALOT of different heads up styles will work fine as long as you understand your opponents bets.
For example I'll often shove 88-AA against aggro players where you usually call with TT and JJ. I do it not always because I think my hand is good, but sometimes I can get them to fold AQ type hands, and other times they will just fold air or something like TJs, and it just makes me more aggressive for metagame, so when I shove QQ-AA next time their chances of calling increase.

[sjay2k]

VPIP 44
PFR 31

On the button I'm 63/54 and in the big blind I'm 25/8.

Full HU stats attached (including positional stats)

[Talking Poker]

I'm 50/38, which I suspect is a little high.

Positionally, I'm:
67/62 OTB
33/14 in BB

My W$SD is less than sjay's and I'm more aggressive across the board, but the rest of my numbers are very close to his, including my 10+ BB/100.

[JDMcNugent7]

those are some great stats, really motivates me to hopefully find time to play soon.

[Boobie Lover]

I'm 45/39.

62/61 on button
27/16 in BB