Continuous Shuffle - Online poker RNGs...

GTDawg · #1 03-04-07, 06:55 PM

Slot machines are designed to pay out a certain number of times over a set period of time. Correct?

I doubt the RNG is designed to hit a certain number of hands per hour.

Boobie Lover · #2 03-04-07, 06:59 PM

The likelihood of each event is still the same. So, timing down and then calling will still have the same effect long term of the next card being an A as folding.

Talking Poker · #3 03-04-07, 11:19 PM

Correct. But you absolutely can NOT do what just about everyone does, which is rabbit hunt - had you timed down and called instead of folding, the next card WOULD be different (well, other than the rare times that the exact same card is selected by the RNG).

In the long run, yes, you will flop your set 12% of time time or whatever it is.... but looking at each individual opportunity, YOU actually control if you will flop it this time or not. Yuck.

Again, I understand exactly how this works and agree that it is the most fair/secure way to do it.

de-coder · #4 03-04-07, 11:45 PM

There seems to be a general assumption that time has a profound effect on the result of the RNG. That assumes that the actual system clock is being used as a seed for the RNG, which doesn't have to be the case at all.

When the RNG is called and provides a result that result could easily be the same no matter when it's called. To explain better - if the RNG has provided 48 results so far then the next result would be #49. The value of #49 might have nothing to do with when the RNG is called to produce result #49 - it could be that #49 will contain the same value whether it's call now - or now - or --- now...

In that case, it makes no difference when you click the button - you have no control, or influence, over the outcome at all.

Now, it's likely that it uses a clock, I'm just saying it doesn't HAVE to use a clock. In any event it's unlikely they would ever reveal what they use for a RNG for security sake.

Talking Poker · #5 03-04-07, 11:48 PM

It uses a clock.

The whole point is that that are continuously shuffling (effectively) the remaining cards in the deck.

GTDawg · #6 03-05-07, 01:06 AM

I think you think to much.

Talking Poker · #7 03-05-07, 01:31 AM

Please choose desired response:

1. Agreed.
2. Look who's talking.
3. Is there such a thing?

de-coder · #8 03-05-07, 08:07 AM

That isn't exactly what Howard said. What he said was that the remaining cards are shuffled during the action. Obviously that could mean the cards are continuously shuffled, but he didn't actually say that they are, the cards could simply be shuffled once during the action to prepare for the next card.

ChipFish · #9 03-05-07, 10:14 AM

This is hands down the funniest thread EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zybomb · #10 03-05-07, 04:51 AM

THIS is my elaboration

YUCK

Boobie Lover · #11 03-05-07, 05:03 AM

You people that hate this probably also get mad at people in blackjack that play suboptimally and take your cards when they shouldn't have. If that is the case, you are all geniuses.

Zybomb · #12 03-05-07, 05:27 AM

lol... yes... yes i do (I do realize longrun it makes no difference yes)

Talking Poker · #13 03-05-07, 12:49 PM

Not at all. The same number of times that person "takes my card" and it hurts me, they also "take my card" and it helps me. Plsu, it changes the entire order of the deck, so the next hand is different and so on and so forth.

I've never understood the people you are referring to (the ones who get upset), but I conceed that this is a reasonable analogy.

I think what you aren't getting is that *I* don't want to be responsible for my immediate, short term luck. I'd rather it be predetermined (by immediate, short term luck, yes - but at least with a pre-shuffled, fixed deck, it's out of my control).

Zybomb · #14 03-05-07, 03:01 PM

You beat me to my responses every time thus far in this thread

It seems a lot of ppl r missing the point here

Talking Poker · #15 03-05-07, 01:16 PM

What I find especially strange is that you won't play on Full Tilt, because you run bad there. I know you're joking when you say it, but how many times have you said Full Tilt is rigged on this forum? Half a dozen?

Here's one for you:

Joking or not, you don't play there because you think you run bad there.

Talking Poker · #16 03-04-07, 11:13 PM

Huh? No one was suggesting that the RNG cared about the board cards and people's hole cards. But yeah, it's supposed to deal a Jack x% of the time or a

or whatever, and I'm sure it does exactly that over the long run.

All I am saying is that I don't like the fact that if I am trying to dodge on of the two remaining Jacks or a

flush draw or whatever the case may be... I don't like that the TIMING of my action actually controls the end result of the hand. I realize it's just as random as a predetermined sequence in the deck and this is a stupid thing to not like, but as a player who doesn't consider himself particularly "lucky," I still don't like it.

As for the slot machines comparison: Yes, they are set to pay out a set percent of the money they take in over a set amount of time - again, in the long run. "99% payouts!!!" It's not like they pay out big every 42 minutes exactly though. They can pay three times in a row or not at all for hours. Their internal RNG (that's basically what it is) will still end up paying out exactly as much as it's supposed to in the long run.