General Tourney Strategy

[stormswa]

I didn't explain it too well and came out wrong, I just don't want to see you put all your chips in during level 1 or 2 with a weak 2 pair. I honestly don't know how to word it that would make sense. Of course you are betting the flop but don't want to see anyone go broke on first couple levels on a weak 2 pair. I guess what im trying to say is just don't over-commit yourself. I honestly do not want to get it all in in a multi way pot with bottom 2. I honestly do not like being all in for my tourney life at all, of course this is assuming I don't have a monster and I don't consider bottom 2 a monster.

[Talking Poker]

Truly words of a wisdom from a passive "hopefully I can squeak into the money" type of player.


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I'm not saying that your strategy is HORRIBLE or anything like that, Brian.. But reading through it, it sounds an awful lot like the very basic old school, tight/passive strategy that is better suited for big multi-day B&M toruenys, and not online tourneys or anything with a somewhat aggressive blind structure. If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say you picked up an old Sklansky book (something like "Tourney Hold'Em for Beginners," if such a book exists), picked out a few points to change into your own words, and then gave some not so good examples to go with them. This strategy is fine, especially for beginners, but if you look at who is taking down tourneys these days - both live and online - it is NOT the players who play like this.

And like I said, I certainly don't disagree with everything you wrote. I mean, yeah, blinding off is bad and raising is better than calling. Glad to see you've finally put that together!
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[stormswa]

I have never gotten any books on tournament strategy's but Im happy to know that what I wrote is in them. Most good tourney players do play tight in early stages of tournaments and most don't like to coin flip in beginning stages. My tournament results speak for themselves both live and online so I do not feel I need to "prove" anything to you sir. All money I have ever lost has been on cash games, which I admit that im terrible at.

I dont think any of my points indicate a weak/tight approach to the game, if by saying I dont want to put my tourney life on the line in a coin flip in early stages makes me weak/tight then so be it but trust me in saying that I'm not alone here. If me saying that I dont want to overplay 2 weak pair and be out of the tourney makes me weak/tight then again im not alone again.

as for squeaking into the money, no dont think I ever said that, I actully think I said the opposite. I usually dont just squeak into the money ever, the real money isnt until the final table. BUT I would much rather go up against small stacks where if I happen to lose the coinflip or race im not out of the tourney instead of going up against the only guy in tourney that can bust me. This is a very very basic concept that I hope you understand, if you dont PM me and I could give you a link or send you to cardrunners tourney video page and you can just pick a video to download because im sure they say it in pretty much any one.

Like I said most of my concepts I put up here are very basic and wouldnt help a experienced tournament player because they already know them, this was more for players that are new to tourneys.

[bdawg31]

I used to play the basic by-the-book strategy and early on (like 3-4 years ago) it worked pretty well in tourneys. But, over the last year - and TP can attest to this - i found myself getting low-cashes or being semi-short-stacked late in a tourney and losing a coinflip. Over and over - this is for like the last year now. Even in my local games i play for basic fun stakes, i used to always cash, now i finish late but dont win any money.

I thought (and still believe) that part of my problem was a weak middle game, but i found that almost always half-way through a tourney - i was always at the avg stack or just below it. well, 90% of the time. the other 10% i was low or out. Rarely, if ever, a big stack.

Then i noticed how a lot of accomplished tourney players (and Hersh mentioned this in one of his backing strings) either finish early or accumulate chips. So I am now thinking that i do need to gamble more, be a little more unorthodox early on. Take that 7,8 hand you mentioned. Before i would have thought like you say - dont get tied up in a mess with that hand early on. Wait for a better spot. But, the problem i am finding is that sometimes the better spot does not come along quick enough. Now, I think if i can get all my chips in on that flop vs someone with an ace-big-kicker or a str8/flush draw - so be it. Double up early - then i can do some real playing and splashing around, or be done with it and go see a movie (or fire up another tourney).

I have just started playing around with this - at some very low stakes and at a home tourney - so its early on. But, this has lead to me getting chips early in the tournament - which has allowed me to play a completely different middle game.

I dont know - there are so many different types of tournament strategies. just watching on television - you can see all kinds of different strategies get deep. But, think about how many times you have seen people kind of fumble and stumble their way deep getting lucky. I am thinking that maybe sometimes you have to force that luck. Play draws super-aggressive. If they fold, you take a small pot. If they call - okay - lets see if we can get lucky and double up early.

[Talking Poker]

Brian - Care to share those tourney results of yours and let them "speak for themselves?" I for one would love to see them. I know you didn't used to keep records, so I'm glad to see you've changed your tune on that.

And wow - your new and improved tourney strategy has come SO FAR from . I'm so proud of our little Brian. He's all growed up!

And thank you so much for the offer to teach me basic beginning tournament poker tips via PM. I really do appreciate that. pshabi's 6 year old made me the same offer first though, so I will probably end up taking him up on it.


{Am I being a dick right now? Maybe. Meh.}


In all seriousness, please don't get me wrong, Brian - I'm glad you started this thread. I'm sure there are indeed people who are benefitting from it, and that's great.

[stormswa]

in red.

[PShabi]

LOLMFAO, he's 4.

[Talking Poker]

Wow. Based on his poker lingo and his tourney ROI, I figured him for at least 6!