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[JDMcNugent7]

id defff call that.

and im just wondering, do u play shortstacks HU alot, like if they sit with 25 BI's, will you play them? I'm sure their +EV cuz they all suck but i dn if its worth the time and frustration and lately i havent been playin them. Plus if they double up they leave right away. j/w what you do

[PShabi]

Do you ever fold to a 3-bet preflop? I'm being serious, not funny.

[sjay2k]

yes

in fact i fold relatively strong hands like ATo or KTo to 3-bets some times because they play so horribly postflop. suited connectors and pairs are easier to play and so i rarely fold them if i'm 100+bb deep.

in this hand we're both over 200bb deep, i have suited gappers and i have a massive postflop advantage over my opponent (i mean just look at the flop/turn play). i would probably fold (maybe 50% of the time?) to the same opponent if we were only 100bb deep.

i've become much more liberal with calling 3-bets as i've got more competent postflop HU.

[Talking Poker]

Good explanation. I was about to ask the same question.

Instinctively, I would have wanted to pitch the 52 in the first hand when he 3 bet, but your explanation makes good sense. I would have called (quickly) the second hand - Like you said, there guys are terrible.

And I'm glad it's possible to get used to and not bothered by the shortstack hit and run... cause I'm not there yet. I hate those pricks.

[sjay2k]

value 3bet shove of the day


Full Tilt Poker Game #2702945497: Table Echo (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:24:36 ET - 2007/06/18
Seat 1: Shady Marlin ($291.10)
Seat 2: MyPetTurtle ($507.50)
Shady Marlin posts the small blind of $2
MyPetTurtle posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MyPetTurtle [Ah 8s]
Shady Marlin raises to $12
MyPetTurtle raises to $44
Shady Marlin calls $32
*** FLOP *** [7s Kc Kh]
MyPetTurtle bets $60
Shady Marlin raises to $172
MyPetTurtle raises to $463.50, and is all in
Shady Marlin has 15 seconds left to act
Shady Marlin calls $75.10, and is all in
MyPetTurtle shows [Ah 8s]
Shady Marlin shows [6s Qs]
Uncalled bet of $216.40 returned to MyPetTurtle
*** TURN *** [7s Kc Kh] [As]
*** RIVER *** [7s Kc Kh As] [Kd]
MyPetTurtle shows a full house, Kings full of Aces
Shady Marlin shows three of a kind, Kings
MyPetTurtle wins the pot ($581.70) with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Shady Marlin is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $582.20 | Rake $0.50
Board: [7s Kc Kh As Kd]
Seat 1: Shady Marlin (small blind) showed [6s Qs] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: MyPetTurtle (big blind) showed [Ah 8s] and won ($581.70) with a full house, Kings full of Aces


then this wtf???

Full Tilt Poker Game #2702963695: Table Echo (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:26:39 ET - 2007/06/18
Seat 1: Shady Marlin ($408)
Seat 2: MyPetTurtle ($790.10)
MyPetTurtle posts the small blind of $2
Shady Marlin posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MyPetTurtle [Ah Kd]
MyPetTurtle raises to $12
Shady Marlin raises to $36
MyPetTurtle calls $24
*** FLOP *** [5s Td Ks]
Shady Marlin bets $48
MyPetTurtle calls $48
*** TURN *** [5s Td Ks] [Kc]
Shady Marlin checks
MyPetTurtle bets $80
Shady Marlin has 15 seconds left to act
Shady Marlin calls $80
*** RIVER *** [5s Td Ks Kc] [Jh]
Shady Marlin checks
MyPetTurtle bets $266
Shady Marlin calls $244, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $22 returned to MyPetTurtle
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MyPetTurtle shows [Ah Kd] three of a kind, Kings
Shady Marlin shows [5c Kh] a full house, Kings full of Fives
Shady Marlin wins the pot ($815.50) with a full house, Kings full of Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $816 | Rake $0.50
Board: [5s Td Ks Kc Jh]
Seat 1: Shady Marlin (big blind) showed [5c Kh] and won ($815.50) with a full house, Kings full of Fives
Seat 2: MyPetTurtle (small blind) showed [Ah Kd] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

[Van_Broked]

My god you are one sick fuck heads up. Great job, thats killer.

[sjay2k]

yesss of course that's what you have

Seat 1: MyPetTurtle ($451.75)
Seat 2: I NEED A WIN 77 ($302.85)
I NEED A WIN 77 posts the small blind of $2
MyPetTurtle posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MyPetTurtle [Qh Qd]
I NEED A WIN 77 raises to $12
MyPetTurtle raises to $36
I NEED A WIN 77 calls $24
*** FLOP *** [6d 4c 5s]
MyPetTurtle bets $60
I NEED A WIN 77 calls $60
*** TURN *** [6d 4c 5s] [4d]
MyPetTurtle has 15 seconds left to act
MyPetTurtle bets $355.75, and is all in
I NEED A WIN 77 calls $206.85, and is all in
MyPetTurtle shows [Qh Qd]
I NEED A WIN 77 shows [Tc 4s]
*** RIVER *** [6d 4c 5s 4d] [Js]
MyPetTurtle shows two pair, Queens and Fours
I NEED A WIN 77 shows three of a kind, Fours
I NEED A WIN 77 wins the pot ($605.20) with three of a kind, Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $605.70 | Rake $0.50
Board: [6d 4c 5s 4d Js]
Seat 1: MyPetTurtle (big blind) showed [Qh Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 2: I NEED A WIN 77 (small blind) showed [Tc 4s] and won ($605.20) with three of a kind, Fours

[sjay2k]

yeah that hand confused the crap out of me, i really thought he had QT or Q4, oh well...

yeah i'll play shortstacks these days, 25bb or more. I'm willing to get it in really, really light against them because they are almost always horrible.

i'm totally used to being hit and run. just expect it.