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Old 07-10-07, 04:29 AM
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If you check/called the flop, you very easily could have taken this from me on the turn. Depends how expensive it got and how much was already in the pot.... but I'm thinking an all in check raise would have done the trick.... unless of course I checked behind and then shoved over your river bet, which you would have had to call.

Then again, had we played it like that, the cards would have been different anyway, what with the continuous shuffke and all. Shame you didn't wait one more split second before calling my shove.
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Old 07-10-07, 04:31 AM
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This is why I raised the flop -- although, I'll call and then lead the turn a lot also... but what I was trying to say in my original post (unclearly) was that WITH position, I liked a smooth call followed by a turn raise all-in (assuming you bet again OOP) a lot

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Old 07-10-07, 07:41 AM
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Calling with 55 there OOP to a 3bet preflop is very -EV.
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Really? I'll call that too a good percentage of the time - always against bad opponents, and rarely against opponents who I think are capable of getting off an overpair. I guezz Zy gives me no respect.

Anyway, where do you draw the line for calling 3 bets OOP then? Roughly...
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Would it be generally -EV value if it was limit? Implied odds in NL would make this very callable in the right situation (as you have said)
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It would be much lower EV in limit than in NL, since the implied odds are a fraction as much as they are in NL.
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There are no implied odds if the guy 3bets a lot.
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Please explain. I understood that the implied odds are in the additional money that can be won if you hit your set. How do you factor in 3 bet frequency?
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I'm sure Zy would say that he puts TP on a wide 3bet range... seeing has how he's a huge donkey and all.
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