party poker

[omahilo]

I havent had problems with party and you shouldnt worry about it. Party is the biggest site and they wouldnt do anything to hurt that.

[Talking Poker]

You don't need to fear Party... Fear groups of players cheating you there, sure... but don't fear the site itself. It would be a TERRIBLE idea for them to run anything less than a clean game. They make WAY too much money by keeping things on the up and up.

[BrianSwa]

by players cheating you do you mean like them talking on AOL or the phone and trying to drive up pots there expecting to most likely win?

[eddo31]

there are different ways to do it, but basically they revolve around playing multiple hands in the same game. if they communicate by im or phone, that works perfectly.

there are different ways to collude as well. the obvious one is sandwiching one player by raising and re-raising around him. that is effective, but very obvious to someone that is paying attention. the more subtle way is freezing the action so that the un-knowing player does not get the correct odds on his drawing hands, and the colluders only play made hands. this way they lose the max, it isnt suspicious, and when they hit the draw they get paid the minimum for it.

i wouldnt really worry about this at the low limit tables. it really is a way to see monsters in the closet, when none are there. if you ever get the feelingthat a few of the players at the table know what each other have at all times, leave he table, and report it to party. i believe that they will check it out, and online there are very concrete ways to figure out if collusion i soccurring.

[junYUN]

to be honest i've colluded in online poker, so i wouldn't be surprised it there were a lot of people doing it. it's a good way to be profitable. i haven't done it in a while, but i'll tell you when i was a newbie it definatly helped me.

[junYUN]

by the way we didn't do it by phone or aim, we did it by one of the most advanced online colluding systems...it automatically posted what my colluding friend had to me, and posted my "outs" and the odds.

[eddo31]

i dont doubt that the colluders have an edge, but i think that worrying about colluders at the lower limits is almost pointless.

the players that collude (no offense junyun) at these limits are probably inferior players, who are looking for the magic solution to the game. it does not mean that you cant make money in the game if there are colluders in it. it may be a little bi tharder, but if you play superior holdings to the colluders, then in the end you should do fine. they have to know how to get the most money out of you, and that goes far beyond just knowing what their cards are, and most of these players are not sophisticated enough to do that.

[Talking Poker]

Wow... that sounds pretty serious. Do you mind explaining this more? How did it work? Software you both run that scrapes each of your screens and shares your hands with each other?

I would think this could be hugely profitable - especially depending on what you mean by it figuring out the odds.... do you mean between your hand and his, or your hand, his, and all the other "random" hands? Or was it even more sophisticated than that?

[jimmym]

Online Poker site managers and security, would love to know your secret and system, and you could probably earn more money by selling this 'online colluding system' who wouldnt....am not saying your lying but I doubt very much that a system can be used at this pressent time without drawing attention from the sites security.

Jim.