Poker player question.

2Tone · #1 10-12-07, 02:54 PM

BlackAdderIV deserves a KITN for tapping the glass. No need to explain the rules, but no need to insult the donator. You don't specify the limits, but given that it was only $3, it might well be that the guy was simply experimenting with a new game, and learning as he goes.

bunny · #2 10-12-07, 03:03 PM

add on: Wouldn't it be better for him to play at a regular table, if he wanted to learn a new game?

I usually don't pay much attention to the chat, but when I saw the slow playing action and the raising with silly cards...I had had it.

It's one thing if no one says anything, but when the fool starts talking and others start thinking, it annoys me and clearly messes up the game for all of us.

He might have ended up in the wrong tournament,

*OFF TOPIC* : such as I did last night. I played 3 hands, before realizing I was in the wrong tourney.

After playing a good two hours and getting my stack to a fairly nice size, I sat out. (something I detest when others do, but I have to wake up early in the a.m. and it was way past my bedtime

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Finished in 8th place. hehe

Zybomb · #3 10-12-07, 03:15 PM

u do realize bunny that for every time you win something (tournament a cash game pot) someone else loses right?

Life is tough - shit happens - wear a helmet etc

Hypothetical: If someone challenged you to a game of pool/darts/bowling/basketball (whatever) for money and you knew that you were better than your opponent and had a massive advantage would you still take the bet?

bunny · #4 10-12-07, 03:31 PM

If it were a one on one game, yes I would take the challenge.

If it were amongst a group of people who were all going after the *tard* then no. It would mess up the game for me.

Why can't anyone see it like I do?

The game was being disrupted by the other players not playing it correctly, since they were all trying to take advantage of this one guy.

Invigilator · #5 10-12-07, 04:30 PM

I am a fundamentally compassionate person, but I am not going to tune this guy up.

If he is playing for money online, then he can check out the rules online.

If he says "why didn't my Queens win?", I might say " it's a low card game", but that's it, if that.*

Exception: If I am playing a mixed game, I won't even go that far.

If you have the braincells to get to the point to play for money online, then you have the braincells to look up the rules.

This whole issue reminded me of another conversation I had with my cousin once. Away from the table, I am going to try to convince a friend that can't afford to play with his money to not play. When I sit down though, I have to realize and be willing to accept that I might be winning someone's tuition, grocery money, rent, etc.

Poker is a pyramid scheme. People at the bottom lose so people at the top can win. It's a firendly, predatory game. And let me tell you the view from the top of the pyramid is nice.

Talking Poker · #6 10-12-07, 04:42 PM

This is my biggest problem with your logic. How is them adapting their games to take advantage of the donator NOT correct? I think NOT changing how you are playing when someone is handing out free chips is NOT correct.

Note that this is completely independent of if you should be nice and give him free lessons during the tourney or not (which is an ethics question of it's own - is THAT fair to the other players in the tourney? What about one player per hand?).

I dunno... I guess I see it as playing the same starting hands in a HU game as you would at a full table, because "that's correct." Well, no, it's not. As game conditions change, "correct" play changes too.

The only think I think was out of line here was the guy making fun of the donk... that's just stupid, and completely -EV. Then again, so are the free lessons you apparently wanted to give him. I also don't see why you were "defending" a guy who didn't see fit to defend himself. If he didn't say anything, maybe it's because he had to go and he was trying to bust out on purpose. Who knows? Nunya-bidnezz.

I also don't understand how someone can sign up for a Razz tourney and think it's 7 card stud. I mean, not noticing when the rounds change in HORSE is on thing, but that would be like me signing up for a Hold Em tourney only to find out it's HORSE. I don't see how that's possible. I mean, don't you read the name of the game before you click the register button?

2Tone · #7 10-12-07, 05:19 PM

I don't want this to be a pick on Bunny exercise, but adapting your play based on the table dynamics is crucial. This is the concept behind raising to isolate against an overly loose player, or changing gears in a very tight game. Is not only correct, it is essential.

Wes · #8 10-12-07, 05:28 PM

Teaching people whom you don't even know how to play is not only bad etiquette but incredibly retarded.

Kurn · #9 10-12-07, 06:42 PM

Not only that, but the essence of poker is taking "unfair" advantage of the less skilled.

bunny · #10 10-12-07, 07:11 PM

Good points, thank you.

I'm done being nice now, so beware!

I will be one ugly b, from now on.