SD or NonSD?

[Talking Poker]

I answered based on The Storm's suggestion above (red line above green line), but if I was to guess blindly, I would guess that I win a lot more in non-SD pots than in SD pots.

But to be clear, which of the following are we talking about:

1. NET winnings (or losings) in SD vs. non-SD.
2. GROSS winnings (no losings included) in SD vs. non-SD.

I was assuming #1, but maybe that's not what you are talking about (that's obviously not how Robbr answered).

This thread confuses TP.

[Wes]

green line above red line = non showdown
red line above green line = showdown

[Talking Poker]

No wonder I was confused.

If Post #2 is true and #1 is the lie, then I am SD.

[melioris]

Ok, in pokerev this info is easy to get. Some one else can explain how to get this info in PT. I use pokerev and like it.

lets look at this graph for example (not mine). This player has roughly 32.5K total winnings (green line) with roughly 5K of that coming at SD (blue line). That means that the player is winning roughly 27.5K in pots that do not go to SD. I don't want to get hung up on what this means about the style of play yet, lets first get to the point of just how do we know this info. While that does not reveal anything about how this player plays, we can make some inferences.

[jhill3535]

In PT3, this graph is available in the graphs tab

Just filter for "won hands"

[Wes]

Honestly I would be pretty shocked if anyone on this forum were winning from non-showdown hands. I certainly don't. Partly has something to do with that I call down lighter than most, but I'm not really aggressive enough on later streets to value bet lightly enough to bluff in some spots.

There was a time where I was trying to improve these silly lines in pokerev, but I just gave up looking at pokerev because it mostly just turned into another excuse for playing badly.

[melioris]

this is where I was hoping this thread would go.

I spent about 4 months at the beginning of the year trying to "develop a more consistent winning style" by not having to depend on the majority of my winnings come from showdown.

But then I realized for me a laggy, very aggressive big pot style in which I was bluffing a lot and value betting thin (increasing winning non SD pots while losing more SD pots) was not a good fit for me personally. I sucked at it and I lost a shitload of money trying to play a style that wasn't fun for more and felt unnatural. So then I went back to my nitty, 'get the money in when I am good' style, and got back to my normal ways. And since I table select pretty well and there are still lots of bad players willing to it in with the worst of it, I could be a winning player. And then I found PLO and fell in love with that game.

I still like pokerev a lot, particularly as most of my profit comes from SD pots I like to follow how hot and cold I am running in SD pots. And it makes pretty graphs for omaha.