Who let the Dawg out?

[Talking Poker]

I think you are underestimating yourself, Novice... I only played with you on the final table, and other than possibly risking your stack a little more than I would have (I didn't see your cards, because people were always folding to your big all in bets), I thought you played great poker. And when you guys got to heads up, he had a HUGE chip lead over you. You built it all the way up, and then this.......

I understand your logic, I guess, but if you were trying to avoid seeing flops and were willing to call all in with KJ, why not just push in using the same logic nutbag used? Then, one of two things happens:

1. He folds and you increase your chip lead (very likely).
2. He calls and you are in the exact same situation as above (less likely).

[bdawg31]

yes - i will take this all under consideration - thanks for the input. Of course, i am always tweaking and experimenting with my game - but way more so with my heads-up-at-final-table game.

[ChipFish]

I think Pokernovice has learned a concept that many here seemed to have missed for tourney poker.... (It is less effective headsup)
Less than 10 BBs = push or fold.
That is why he was pushing his stack in....
There is no fold equity if he merely calls or mini-raises.

[Talking Poker]

I don't think this applies to calling all in (especially heads up).

Also, where did you get the 10 BB number? That seems high to me.

[ChipFish]

I was speaking of his play prior to his heads-up play "call" there were 5-9 players left and he was relatively shortstacked....
You even called his frequent all-ins suspect.
So you are correct, it is for pushing all-in, on an unraised pot.

10 BB is the number... Learn it.
Got it from a pretty well known player...
In fact I am 100% certain you have watched him win a rather large entry event on television .

[Talking Poker]

Does he have a name??? Would he be upset with you for sharing his magical 10 BB (and I assume that stands for Big blind in this case) rule of thumb?

Come on, boy - out with it already!

[ChipFish]

Fossilman,
Among countless others.

Has alot to do with folding equity.

[Talking Poker]

Interesting.

I don't think I've ever read that number anywhere but I always thought it was significantly lower.... like 4.

[Kurn]

With 10BB or less, if you make a normal 3x BB raise and get called, the pot size commits the rest of your chips postflop. Since there's no rationale with betting 30% of your stack with any intention of folding on the flop, you push all-in to increase your fold equity.