Help me get the big picture (possibly long)

[Penguinfan]

Thanks all for the replies (except Sjay, I guess because we disagree on one point about sports betting you have to make posts like that?)

Seems to me that you play well enough to make a final table you assume everyone at said final table has played well enough to get there as well and you still get KK ruined by A2o, very frustrating.

[Invigilator]

the frustration is real, but it needs to detach a bit. It can't go deep. watching Hellmuth complain I have always believed that he puts himself through an unhealthy level of anger over the level of play of others. It's just not good for health and long term well-being.

[stormswa]

Penguinfan I must say you are the most result orientated player I have ever meet.

[Penguinfan]

And what else matters?

You can talk about all the +EV moves you have made in your life, but until you put money in the bank from the results it really doesn't matter does it?

+EV is only good if it holds true and you win some pots with it, otherwise, well?

[TBlover55]

switch up your play a little. Stop getting all your chips in pre-flop and try playing the flops a bit more.. When your chips go all-in preflop it takes away all the skill and yes, you are left to luck. Post-flop is where the skill comes in. Start playing position and stack sizes.

[stormswa]

stormswa

Player points: 3323.39
Staker points: 3107.20

This is what ive done on PTP in last 6 months starting from zero, I dont need to put money in the bank from poker I have a real job. I invest all money I make that way I have money working for me on both ends, I tend to like to give back instead of just taking.

being a results orientated player is horrible, it means your making/not making certain plays because you are afraid of the outcome. It means you wont reshove with 7d8d because you are afraid you will be called even though it is the correct play and therefore you are giving up certain +ev situations that you should be taking advantage of.

There is a reason im getting 3k stakes after being involved in staking after just 6 months, im not bragging I just want to use it as a example. The reason is I don't give up ever, I dont care if my investments are down 50% I never just give up and say fuck im never going to win. I keep grinding sitting after sitting and never lose faith in my own abilities, I have run soooo bad these last 2 weeks, my bap is down about $800 but like my investors I have zero doubt in my abilities to bring it up. And if by some chance I do bust this investment my investors like myself know they will get there cake back on later investments, my investors like myself realize sometimes you can play perfect or good poker and still lose.

sooner you realize this the better off you will be.

[Invigilator]

Nothing. BUT, it's not the result of this hand that matters. You know, the hand that you want to win right now, this time.

If you can't bring yourself to believe in varience and long term gains from +EV strategy, allowing for wild swings along the way, then cash out buy lottery tickets.

[hackers238]

Are you always trying to improve? The worse that a break-even or downswing gets, the more articles I'm reading, hands I'm posting, hands I'm responding too, etc.

I think you also need to accept that if you need to win certain hands and can't control your emotions, poker might now be the game for you.

[Kurn]

Actually, thos post suggests that poker is not for you.

[Talking Poker]

I agree.

I honestly believe Penguin has a reasonable understanding of poker theory, and I think he's a good guy... but it's apparent that he's not seeing the big, long term picture. And I don't know how someone could possibly be a successful player with his mindset.

Penguin - you should either move to low limit cash games or maybe try HU SNGs if you prefer the tourney style of play. I think in both you can significantly reduce the amount of luck required to win.

Wins will be much smaller, but the downswings will be much smaller too. ie, lower variance, which, at least for me = less frustration.

[PShabi]

The thing I don't understand is how someone cannot grasp relatively simple concepts after having them explained to them ad nauseum.