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Old 11-04-09, 05:27 AM
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Is moon the huge dude that seems decent and is just a total cardrack? the big guy, whoever that is, hit's everything, seriously everything, and he admits it, says hes never ran so amazing before.


anyway, I think I'd bet turn and def call his raise and if the board doesnt change much call river. Obv I'd hope to have a better read and a better idea what to do if I'd been playing with the dude for hours
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Old 11-04-09, 09:12 AM
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Yeah, he's the big dude wearing the Saints cap.
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Old 11-04-09, 12:26 PM
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They showed Moon bluffing a couple of times PF, but never getting out of line at all postflop (beyond a continuation).

I think given the hands he has shown up with the CR by Moon is the end of the hand. No way he doesn't have the flush beat. If he had a 2, given his play in some other hands he either bets out or C/Cs.

I think a call on the turn would have been better given the paired board, crappy flush, and situation in the Main Event with 2 big stacks. Moon doesn't want to bluff much of his huge stack here either.

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Old 11-04-09, 01:43 PM
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What's Kopp's background? Is he a pro?
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Old 11-04-09, 05:24 PM
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I think he's a 6th year college student who plays a lot of cards, so classify him however
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Old 11-04-09, 05:32 PM
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Billy Kopp is a pro....he's patrolman35 on stars and DurangoDan35 on tilt.
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Old 11-04-09, 06:24 PM
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If he had this and decided NOT to raise the flop isn't raising the turn kinda weird

I guess I'm just unsure of what hands would re-raise preflop (AA, KK, QQ, JJ?, TT?) vs just smooth calling. Then if Moon had one diamond, JJ or TT wouldn't bet out on that flop, right?

Of course, I dunno if TT or JJ (with a diamond) would re-raise the turn.

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Can't do that, we have 12.6 left and he's made it 6 mill, we could baby raise then fold but i just don't see the point of putting 2/3 our stack in then folding

If he (Kopp) calls the turn and the river is a blank, how does it play out? Moon has to bet the blank, right? So we fold to that (I'm assuming a simple call leaves us too low)? Man...I don't know if I can do that.
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I realize we have a flush -- but if Moon shoves the river what exactly do we beat?

Short of Moon open shoving, people still fold to a river blank?
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The check/raise from would've gotten my attention, but I think I would've put Moon on a big pocket pair with a large diamond.

Would a re-raise just be ridiculously stupid pot control?

I mean, I think spewing $19m in chips with a 5-high flush may be silliness...but he did have a flush six-handed. That's gotta be the best hand 90% of the time.

Considering they were both huge chip leaders, I am not sure if re-raising Moon (obv something less than all-in) would've accomplished anything. If Moon comes back, then I'd guess we'd be folding or shoving...and if he just calls, then we are making the same decisions on the river.

In the situation, I'm guessing bet and then call is the most proper play since the final table is so close...but I think I would've come back with something stupid that got me pot committed if Moon re-raised again (or I would've had to do something silly on the river that got me committed).

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If the river is a blank (doesn't pair the board again, no diamond), is there anybody that doesn't bust out?

If the river is a diamond (or maybe even paint), I might be able to find a way to lay down to a possible boat or something....but I'm pretty sure I bust out on this hand.
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If I was playing well the turn is probably a fold unless Kopp had some dynamic that would make Moon play back at him. This line is just so rarely taken as a bluff and there are not a whole lot of 2x hands a person should have here.
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