Final Table

[Reel Deal]

I think that FT set poker back about 5 years.

[Fildy]

This would be a good thing no?

[Reel Deal]

Would be good, yes. Would have been better if the Frenchie won and started a poker boom in that country... those people aren't the brightest, at least as far as I've observed.

[JDMcNugent7]

I was hoping the same thing would happen for the same reason. And ya wow that final table was just so weird all around. Ivey folding JJ was pretty weird even, and god Moon just literally seemed to have absolutely no clue what he was doing.

[Robbie Robb]

Well, if what he said about never having played HU before is true, it would make sense that he had no clue what he was doing. Supposedly he's always chopped when it gets to HU.

Following the HU portion through twitter made me want both of them to somehow lose. (I dunno, maybe the ceiling cave in at the P&T theatre or something)

[Wes]

I played with cada for a few hours at wsop. Seemed like a good player.

[Zybomb]

Cada didn't necessarily play bad (Moon on the other hand might have displayed the worst final table performance I've ever seen. I really think if I gave my 7 year old cousin a basic starting hand chart and told him be aggressive and don't fold he could've done the exact same thing)

Anyway like I said Cada's play wasn't bad, although he made some questionable "gambly" decisions. He just got incredibly lucky in all in situations - I think he was all in for his tournament life 6 times on and only once was he ahead, the others he was a 80/20 dog (twice) or a flip.

Some of the questionable decisions i mentioned earlier

1- Just over min raising D. Moons River Bet on a 489A4 board when Cada raised pre, both checked the flop, Moonc heck called the turn then lead the river

Analysis: Decent bc he can size his raise so little bc Moon may have missed club or diamonds draws or 76 TJ and can not call anything. But bc its Moon, and Moon doesnt like to fold, if he has anything he's calling. I dunno if he had the read on Moon that we got from TV, but it seemed Moon like to play his drawing hands aggro b4 the river with semi bluffs, not play passive until the river then bluff

2- Calling Jeff Schuman's all in 3 bet with AJ for 6 million more into a 9 million pot, where losing leaves you with 5 big blinds

Analysis: Pretty bad IMO especially bc it cripples you if you lose and Schulman is the tightest player at the table and figures to have you drawing to 3 outs with the majority of his pushing range

3- Shoving with 44 over the top of phil ivey's raise preflop, for 5.5 M total, costing Ivey an extra 4.25 in a 7.7

Analysis: Don't really like it unless you are content to just flip coins for a double up or bust. It's not exactly is zero Fold equity move since Ivey didn't have that many chips and it's not quite 2:1 on his call (about 1.8:1). Cada did have 11 Big Blinds, not exactly the ideal resteal stack once the pot has been opened, since it's likely he's getting called and at best hes a flip, but enough where he can wait a LITTLE longer before pouncing.

4- Shoving all in for over 11 Million with 33 after Shulman opened for 1.75 Mill 5 Handed

Analysis: Very gambly, but at least he has an ideal resteal stack now (maybe even a little too big) with good equity. It's not terrible bc Shulman has shown that he wants to avoid big pots and has backed down from 3 bets all in before and it is for a large percentage of his stack. Regardless though, 5 handed, I wonder what hands Shulman opened with hes tossing and what hes calling with.

5- Four betting all in with 22 BvB for 33 Million more after Opening to 2.55 Mill and getting 3 bet to 5.75 Mill. 33 Mill represented half of BB's stack. We are 3 handed

Analysis: Gambley and slightly reckless although BB is probably 3 betting a large range of hands that can not call and some that will include AK which we flip with. His reraise size is smaller though which usually incidicates a stronger hand, calling is half his stack, and we are 3 handed. I just think there's better spots, although overall not terrible

If other people wanna chime in with opinions on these 5 plays I'd be interested

[Kurn]

nah. Nowhere near as bad as 2007.

FWIW, Moon shows a lot of understanding of his chances. he knows he can't outplay a lot of these guys, so his best chance is to gamble.

I've always said, if I were HU vs Ivey at the end, I'd just shove every hand. That would be my best chance to win. That is unless somebody here thinks I can outplay Phil Ivey HU.