Thoughts on Cardinals vs Phillies

[GTDawg]

When does he become a threat? When he gets within 30 feet of a player? When he gets within 20 feet? When he is within an arm's length? After he tackles a player? I am perfectly ok with not playing this "what if" game after another player/coach/umpire is attacked.

Looking at the situation NOW, yes he seems to be a drunk kid that is screwing around because he wants to be an attention whore. At the time, I am really not sure how people can just say "well, he's just goofing around"....how do you tell?

He is knowingly breaking the law by trespassing. And, I'm going to assume that there were repeated warnings that he disobeyed and ignored.

After the Tom Gamboa and Laz Diaz attacks, I have no sympathy for someone just goofing around by running on the field.

And, I look at it like Shabi. He's knowingly breaking the law and resisting efforts to detain him. In any other location known to man, the cops would not be nearly as forgiving. But, for whatever reason, people are allowed to act like goofballs as long as they aren't hurting anyone even though they are trespassing and resisting arrest.

[Talking Poker]

I'm fine with it. He clearly knew what he was doing was illegal (he actually called his Dad and asked permission before doing it, telling him it was a once in a lifetime opportunity) and he was resisting arrest. Tase away.

That said, I think the rules should be different during rain delays when there are no players on the field. Let the guy slip and slide into every base on the tarp and then tackle him at home. No need for tasering there.

[melioris]

I'm with RD on this one and think it is pretty clear cut for basically all the reasons RD said.

The only thing I will add is that I think we are all allowing the area between acceptable behavior and use of force to ensure "public safety" to get awfully small and this is a great example. It is a fucking baseball stadium. The entire point of that building is to distract 30-60K people with a sporting event while getting them to spent as much money as possible on food and drink. There should be some thought and effort put into encouraging fans to behave responsibly without using force, as clearly in our society a lot of stupid cunts are going to try shit like this.

Frankly, it is a negligent business model if the idea is fleece the sheep and tase them if they don't follow the rules.

[Reel Deal]

So, for the guys in the "tase the bitch" camp, are you in favor of it because (a) you think the force matches the threat, (b) you think it will act as a deterrent, or (c) fuck him, he knowingly broke the law and should therefore expect to have volts shot through his body?

[JDMcNugent7]

C for sure. but if it's some big ass dude that could actually do some damage, or a group of people, it could be A or B too. Haven't you seen the video of 3 people jumping out the stands and beating up I think Chicagos first base coach?. In this spot it's fuck him, he's being a dumbass and breaking the law, wtf did he expect to happen

[sjay2k]

Wow.

From the video it looks like there were at least 5 men chasing him around the field. Chasing one skinny kid, clearly unarmed, running around in circles, waving a shirt. Threatening nobody and the 5 of them would have easily stopped him. It says in the news report this kid was 17?

And the police shoot him with a taser gun? That's disgusting.

Are you comfortable with your government using disproportionate force against you?

If your reasoning is that "he knew it was illegal, so he deserved it", would you be okay with the Police shooting your tyres out the next time you speed in your car?

Tasers are very dangerous, they can actually kill you. I can't believe the police would be allowed to use them purely for convenience (for fun?) like that.

[GTDawg]

If your reasoning is that "he knew it was illegal, so he deserved it", would you be okay with the Police shooting your tyres out the next time you speed in your car?


If I drove my car on to the tarmac at the airport and proceeded to drive around in circles at the far end of the runway while avoiding the cops, I have no doubt they would be ending my joyriding swiftly and in any means necessary.

If I were going 80 in a 55 zone on the highway and a cop began following me with his lights on and I didn't stop and instead continued to speed through Atlanta, I have no doubt they would be using one of several ways to stop my car.

Do you feel that using a tazer after someone has already trespassed and is continuing to avoid being captured is similar to shooting out tires upon being found to be speeding? Because I'd say the situation is more similar to continuing to speed without stopping after a police officer has already pulled behind you with his lights on.

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(a) you think the force matches the threat, (b) you think it will act as a deterrent, or (c) fuck him, he knowingly broke the law and should therefore expect to have volts shot through his body?

I think it is a combination of B and C. If I were to trespass and evade capture from the police in my daily life at any place of business everywhere on the planet, I would not expect the police to let me run around until I get tired cause it is obvious I am not a threat.

There are no metal detectors at baseball stadiums (that I know of). It isn't out of the realm of possibilities that this person has a knife or worse.

Looking at the situation KNOW, yes...it is a drunk teenager who did something stupid to be an attention whore. However, at the time, I'm not exactly sure how you are making that analysis.

The person is breaking the law and evading the police while ignoring obvious calls to stop. In, literally, any other situation known to man...he would be stopped in a similar way. But, at a sporting event, there is some leeway given since drunk people running on the field is nothing more than stupid wastes of time.

You are told not to run on the field many times. There are signs everywhere. There are countless announcements throughout games. Players, coaches, umpires have been attacked in the past. And, personally, I'm all for ending the problem as swiftly as possible.

My personal idea is to use snipers with rubber bullets stationed on the roof. Just go ahead and put a few body shots in to the person as soon as they cross the foul line.

[Talking Poker]

Mostly B for me.

But back to the real question this thread's title poses: My thought are the Phils are up 2-0 and Halliday will complete the sweep tomorrow afternoon.