Collusion Online

jimmytheg · #1 10-26-04, 06:30 AM

pokerstars has proven to be very good at not only stopping colluders, but also returning money to players who were cheated.

granted they cant stop all of it, but they do make an effort, which is more than i can say for other sites.

on a side note, hopefully russ g...aka newgca....wont find this site and start his rantings yet again

ChipFish · #2 10-26-04, 07:50 AM

I kind of liked Russ....
He was good for alot of information....
His articles were actually really good.

for those of you who want to read his articles....
They are actually a must read.

GeoffM · #3 10-26-04, 08:34 AM

Sometimes it could even benefit to play colluders, especially when you do catch the nuts and slowplay them. These maniacs would be raising all around you and you can simply continue to call, call, call and not even have to raise the pot to get maximum value from it.

brokeagain · #4 10-26-04, 10:52 AM

Collusion doesn't just mean getting you in the middle. Good colluders are not maniacs. For ex. I have JJ in the cutoff, my partner has 72o UTG. He open raises to cut down the field, one guy in between calls, it gets to me, I three bet, blinds and my partner fold and I am now HU with the caller. Or I have 10 10 and I am facing a raise and a call, but I fold because I know my partner mucked 10 6. I am just sayng you really need to be on the lookout for anything. It is not just happening at the lower limits, some say if you are playing alone you are already beat, which has not been the case for me. In fact, with all the money at the lower limits at the big sites and all the new players playing those lower limits where do you think cheaters would like to harvest?

GeoffM · #5 10-26-04, 11:13 AM

If you are worried about 2 players at a table trading info about hole cards, that is nothing at all. It gives them very little of an edge other than the odd time knowing when to fold (if the have say 8 outs to a flush or straight and their partner has 2 of them). Or they could also run into the situation where the partner has none of the outs, in which case their chances increased by what, 2-4%. Hardly an edge worth worrying too much about.

brokeagain · #6 10-26-04, 11:16 AM

are you serious? you are baked aren't you?

eddo31 · #7 10-26-04, 01:17 PM

i agree with geoff here

i think that if two people at the table are sharing hole card info it isnt that significantly different to your expectations. the situations just arent going to arise particularly often where their cards will tell you enough about how they should optimally play the hand.

given the earlier examples, how many times can you really expect to hold TT, and fold it down because your partner has T6? i am skeptical that this type of situation happens at any more than neglible rate.

eddo31 · #8 10-26-04, 01:20 PM

i really like a lot of the strategy posts by russ. i thought the o8b post was great. it really helped my game.

the rantings get a little bit old, but i think that they actually have a lot more substance than most people would like to recognize. hopefully, his info is outdated though.