Interesting freeroll at Party last night

Penguinfan · #1 06-18-05, 06:19 PM

Yea, I usually posess a little better writing skills than that, sorry.

Pshabi, I'll type this slow so you can understand, It wasn't about the $50, it was about spending 5 hours for nothing.

Forget everything else, if I approached you and said you had to play one hand and I give you AA but if you lose the game is over and I get to kick you in the nuts (supposing you have any) OR you can just stand around on the street corner and do nothing for two minutes and I will give you $50 which would you choose?

Winning the hand didn't guarantee I move up 25 more spots, and that was only 10 dollars more. You seem to think 50 bucks is pennies, well what is it compared to 10 dollars then?

If you have to come in my posts and be a fucking jerk just because Michael Jackson didn't pick you then just don't open them fuckwad.

Talking Poker · #2 06-18-05, 06:36 PM

Easy, fellas.

I like ridiculous analogies (I make them all the time), and I like this one. The problem is though, it doesn't hold true to last night's situation. You're forgetting one key piece, which would be something like:

"If you decide to play the AA and WIN, you are guaranteed the $50 but also have a significantly (that's subjective, of course) higher chance of winning more money, as much as $1000."

So, here are the possible outcomes:

1. Stand Around the Corner and get $50. Still have a shot at more money, but it's much less likely than if you play the AA.
2. Play AA and lose, get kicked in the nuts.
3. Play AA and win, get $50 and a chance at up to $1000.

Each outcome is mutually exclusive, but when deciding between #2 and #3, you need to keep in mind that as soon as you decide to play the AA, #3 is much more likely than #2 - in this case, it was about 4.5:1, but it could have been even higher if he had AK...

BlibbityBlabbity · #3 06-18-05, 06:48 PM

I personally think anyone who approaches me on a dark street corner and SUGGESTS kicking me in the nuts is just asking for a good tazer-ing....

Penguinfan · #4 06-18-05, 06:51 PM

I never said I played it right, just that in the situation it was not as easy decision. Had there still been 10 to go till the money I beat him in the pot. Since $50 is chump change to you high rollers what if the situation was in you satellite tomorrow and for 51st place you get a kick in the nuts but if you fold two more hands you go to the WSOP main event? I guarantee you don't play those Aces and if you do and bust out with them you will never forget the time you should have folded AA, never.

Granted $50 isn't the same as playing in the main event, but honestly it was important to me not to waste all that time for nothing, thats VERY frustrating.

All in all I like Blibitty's response best so far, there was not reason to call in that spot, all-in or fold should have been the options, not sure what I would have done when/if he bet at those diamonds if I had two black aces instead of the Ad. I am sure I would have called if he pushed me after the flop though and hoped for another diamond or hoped he was bluffing. In any event fold or push is what should have happened, call was terrible the more I think about it.

BlibbityBlabbity · #5 06-18-05, 07:16 PM

It is interesting to see how much money is enough money to impact a decision like this. For me $50 is a lot of money when no money is invested. If this were a $1 tourney and the "money" meant $1.42 or soemthing that makes the decision pretty easy to get your chips in with the AA. For a sattelite to the WSOP for top 50 spots it is an easy fold (as all the top 50 pay the same and you have chips to wait out the short satacks).

If say it was $10000 for the money, as it is in the main event, there are some who would be too happy to get their chips in and there are others who just want that $10K and then they will take whatever chips they have after that and make thier shot.

Another analogy (not necessarily a good one):

Lottery ticket A - 99% chance of $50 + 40% chance at $1000
Lottery ticket B - 30% chance of getting nothing, 70% chance of $50 + 60% chance at $1000

Depends what you are playing for, $50+ or $1000. Personal choice.

Talking Poker · #6 06-18-05, 07:31 PM

Again, your analogy is a bit off. If 50th place paid $10,000 in this example, then the winner would have to take home $200,000 (in your tourney, the winner was paid 20 times as much as 50th place). If that was the case, yeah, I'd push all my chips in for sure.

If all 50 places paid the same (10k in this example, or $50 in your tourney from last night), then this is an easy fold, as would be pretty much every hand after this one.

ChipFish · #7 06-18-05, 08:41 PM

If you were playing for only the $50 then folding was fine.
If you were playing for the final table, then you should have pushed.

Obvious stuff.
I agree, that if you don't have a large roll, then $50 is still alot of money.
Don't listen to the other guys.
If the money was what you wanted, and you really could not have been happy, if you bubbled out, then folding was fine.

BrianSwa · #8 06-18-05, 08:52 PM

here is my opinion even though you all say im losing player so my opinion sucks.

there is only 2 plays here pre-flop, fold if you just want the $50 and dont want to take the chance of bubbleing out or push all in if you want to take the chance and get a big time chip advantage. I dont think the calling small raise was the right play you are pretty much commiting yourself to this pot, sure you could fold this on the flop but then your shortstacked big time and that sucks.

Ok yea you probolly could of still folded on the flop and made the money but why have to put yourself in that position. You had 2 plays but didnt pick one of them and made up your own, in my opinion wasnt play I would of made but to each his own.

PShabi · #9 06-18-05, 08:58 PM

In other words, you played it like a pussy.

Penguinfan · #10 06-18-05, 09:33 PM

From now on it will be referred to as playing it like a Pshabi then.

Please stay out of my threads, the entire forum will be a better place for it.

ChipFish · #11 06-18-05, 09:36 PM

Yes, Pshabi.
Logic has no place in this thread.

Penguinfan · #12 06-18-05, 09:47 PM

Looking for a permenant place on the "fuck you" list Chip?

Damn, whole forum full of dickheads....................

ChipFish · #13 06-18-05, 09:58 PM

Mrs. Penguin would have played the AA.

junYUN · #14 06-18-05, 10:01 PM

lol whoa now slow down penguin

although i don't agree with the call either... i can see why you made it. $50 was important to your roll, and thats the way it is. sometimes people make strange decisions when there is money involved.

either way you ended up at the final table right? you were at one point the chip leader? looking back, the AA hand didn't even really effect the outcome of the tournament. i mean, maybe slightly as in a couple of spots you might have doubled those chips, but i mean hey -- you made it to the final table. congrats. now let's drop this BS and move onto the next thread