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Talking Poker · #1 07-22-05, 11:24 PM

I feel the need to contribute here because I disagree with a good bit of this. Well, I agree with your MTT advice (hard way to make a living), but it's the A, B, C points you make above that I'm not so sure about.

A) First, winning $2 after an hour might be a waste of time to you, but it might not be to other players.... especially new players who are learning the game and getting a feel for how hands play out. Also, you need to remember, they might not be WINNING $2 per hour, but rather losing $2 per hour. And to say that them losing $20 per hour would be better (less of a waste of time) is just silly - especially when their entire roll is $50.

To me, maybe winning $20 per hour is a waste of time. To Daniel Negreanu, I'm sure winning $200 per hour is a waste of time. The point is, that's all relative, and I don't think it's right to judge anyone for their bankroll.

B) I agree. Sounds like a good place to me to learn how to play.

C) Glad to hear it... that doesn't mean everyone else is... again, especially new players.

My point here is that if somone is just getting into online poker, and decides they will allowcate $50 for their bankroll, I think it would be a HUGE mistake to sit down with it all at once, and I think there is no shame whatsoever in playing the microlimit tables while you are learning to become a winning player.

omahilo · #2 07-22-05, 11:35 PM

I started my poker career with a free $25 that I got from pokerworld... the site didnt have many games only a 25 NL table so I sat down with like $10 of my roll...

I ended up leaving pokerworld with about $400 from just playing smart poker, etc.

Since starting with that $25, Ive made about $4,000 from just playing 25/50/100 NL.

I agree that playing at .05/.10 NL tables seems like a waste now but at the time it was alot of fun because you were playing for real money and were improving yourself.

Windbreaker · #3 07-23-05, 12:09 AM

My point was not to look down at anyone that played a certain level. I still play rather low limits for the times I've spent on the table.

If you're really trying to learn this game, take that 50 bucks and go buy a book or two. Go to play money tables and mess around and see if you can beat those tables. And although many people may think play money doesn't teach a whole, that's probably the best way to learn discipline.

That's why I'm saying if you only want to bring in 50 bucks to start your bankroll, you might as well not start....because you can learn a lot more faster in other ways than at the microlimits.

ChipFish · #4 07-23-05, 12:10 AM

What he said.

Windbreaker · #5 07-23-05, 12:20 AM

lol...this is starting to sound like a bashing contest.

Seriously, if you're new to the game or just not a very good player right now the best way to learn is:

A) Read a few books
B) Play freerolls
C) Come on to sites like this and talk about hands/situations/ideas/etc
D) When you do start give yourself a good shot by starting with say $200 bucks
E) Learn how to bonus whore - which makes up for many mistakes.

If at the end of all that you find yourself out 200 bucks, pick up a new hobby like golf, because it's gonna be just as expensive for either game anyways.

JDMcNugent7 · #6 07-23-05, 01:42 AM

lol wut the heck ?
Is this directed toward me ?
Starting the game, not a good player ?
All i EVER said was i learned to play within my bankroll.
I dont know how we even got started on all this other crap, oh ya i do, chipfish. I've been playing for quite awhile now, and not saying im great or anything but i'm also not a beginner by any means.

BrianSwa · #7 07-23-05, 01:49 AM

I agree with TP here I dont think if you play at low levels you have to pick up their bad habbits. You can still play good poker at low limits and win, Its not a waste of time for some. For alot of people on here they could not play for say a $2 pot but for some they are fine with building a roll through playing low limits.

story of my poker life huh, I read a couple of books and didnt get it. Deposited, lost it, deposited, lost it, deposited, won 2,500 and lost it. Kid got sick couldnt deposit alot so make little $50 deposits and play micro limits. Right now at micro limits makeing about $5 a day and fine with that. Working on my disapline which still is a little shakey.

Nugget as for chipfish, take about 20% of what he says to heart, listen to what he says about torney play because by far he is a hell of a torney player. Sorry have to edit just read what chips said, alot of what he said makes perfect sence, agree with it all but the winning $2 is a waste of time. You say dont play micro limits because you pick up bad habbits but then you say play freerolls?!?!? That makes no sence at all play for money pick up bad habbits but play for free and don't. Just as many bad habbits to pick up in freerolls as micro limits.

my advice play within your bankroll, play good poker and gl.

Talking Poker · #8 07-23-05, 01:53 AM

Easy boys....

JD started this by talking about playing withing his bankroll and the discussion went from there. Windbreaker talked about a hypothetical "only $50 bankroll" and we kept discussing - not talking about JD in particular.

No one meant to suggest you are a new player, JD (nothing wrong with that, of course) or to insult your poker abilities. We all know how good you are. Cause you keep telling us.

PhilMcNugent7

Aequitas58 · #9 07-23-05, 02:06 AM

Hey JD....

JDMcNugent7 · #10 07-23-05, 02:06 AM

lol oh wutever i never brag, i am just FINALLY happy with my poker play, and this site is a big reason for it. You're guys advice has helped alot, but really, my poker has always been decent-good, the whole playing within my bankroll thing is what really helped me.
Before i got here, i played for the $ only.
Now, i play to do my best in poker, and the $ is a extra bonus.

ChipFish · #11 07-23-05, 11:34 PM

Actually, I had nothing to do with anyone thinking or not thinking you were "starting the game" or "not a good player".
Nice copout.
In fact, the only person that could have caused such an opinion well, you know him.

JDMcNugent7 · #12 07-24-05, 12:49 AM

I dont know who "him" is, But its all good, dont worry about it. I thought the comments were directed toward me as being a new player, which im not. Maybe i got that idea from the STFU newbie pic. lol

BrianSwa · #13 07-24-05, 12:56 PM

raises his hand.