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Old 07-29-05, 03:36 AM
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ASSUMING that no player was pot committed here, what hand beside AA could you possibly put Frangos on that would have him put his entire stack in the middle after the pot has been raised 3 times already before him. I can't see him on any hand except AA (or the nuts huge enough to front like you have AA) ESPECIALLY after his table talking "Please ---- one time!!!"

If this were Dan Harrington, making the move would that change anything?

Or is just one of those situations where youd feel u have to grit your teeth and call, saying if Im gunna get busted here it was meant to be?
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Old 07-29-05, 08:20 AM
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if Harrington did this... I dunno lol... KK might think of folding then Harrington flips up 62o lol.

I do think Lindgren was committed tho because he was the shortstack of the 3 players. GambleAB and Goldstein both had plenty of chips at the time. Goldstein raised like 200,000 and that put Lindgren allin, which he gladly called.

I think by Frangos chat he was only going to play AA and if he pushes allin then he has it IMO because pushing in with anything BUT AA with a 3 raises in front of you would be crazy unless he acts like he has AA which he could do if he knew what the chip stacks were and if he knew he had enough chips to make everyone fold.

like if this was the action at last yrs WSOP with Raymer having 15 mill compared to everyone else, he could easily go allin in this situation and act like he has the AA because he has plenty to make everyone fold and everyone else isnt short stacked to the point where they have to call.
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This is an easy one.

There is nothing a player can say that should get you/him to laydown KK pre-flop. If Frangos/hypothetical player really did hit his Aces, good for him. But you can't lay that down. But he’s going to have to show them to win the pot.
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Ive read a few interesting stories where people have folded KK preflop and the people have had aces.

Its not a impossible fold but your read will have to be exact.
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I remember Phil Helmuth having a story about that
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Yeah Phil has it in his book 'Bad Beats and Lucky Draws'.
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