Rip my pt numbers apart (comments please)

[Talking Poker]

I'm not saying my numbers are right and yours are wrong, but I am a solid winner at 6 max, so I think my numbers are pretty decent. I'm going to go through your post now and simply say if mine are significantly higher or lower. Maybe you'll be able to get something out of that.

[nutbag]

Yeah. I was going to mention turn checkraises. Since you're at 5/10 or higher, you're (usually) going to get much more respect for those, but when do you normally do them?

Are alot of them against overagressive players who opened preflop? Or is it more with top pair, when you hit two pair, etc. I just always think that value betting is better and have trouble picking times to chekcriase.

What percentage of that 70 do you think you are bluff chkraising?

So you're basically raising reraising with whatever you're playing. I been wondering if i should change this, but I'm making so much money when I catch a an ace or a king when some mongoloid calls me down when he hits a 10 with 10 4 in the small blind, and I think I'd lose alot of value trying to drive those hands out preflop.

BTW. If these numbers aren't just from me running well and are sustainable to a certain degree, I think my current style would get me killed at 5/10 and your style would reduce you expectation at 1/2. Would you agree or disagreee?

[JDMcNugent7]

nutbag - i dn something must be whack with my numbers - This sample on PT is from me playing $1/2 mainly, and winning $800 in 8 days, probably 25 hours or so. I don't see how that could correspond with $1.5/100 hands. I dont really even multi-table. I guess my numbers are just wrong.

SO people are saying that 2bb/100 is good ? For every 100 hands winning $4 is good ? Seems pretty damn low and easy to do.

[PShabi]

Limt or No Limit?

Anyway, BB/100 is better used to gauge winrate in limit games. It's more accurate and consistent than $/hour stats. 2BB/100 is considered very solid. It's kind of been made the benchmark (Right or wrong) for limit players to shoot for. If you're making anything above 0BB/100 over a substantial amount (50k min?) you're doing a nice job. Because, the fact is, there's not many who can do even that.

BTW, at 6-max, you can see 100 hands/hour on most tables. So $4/100 hands on 4 tables is $16/hr. Not to mention the rakeback that serious limit players get and you're making even more. Think about the crazy bastards who 6-8 table!!!

Doesn't seem like much, especially for youse kids.

[nutbag]

Chec to make sure you've got all your hands from all your sights and skins imported. Plus tracker doesn't include bonsus and other extra money.

[eejit101]

Ok, i understood most of that, thanx for the help, Pshabi and Nutbag and TP.
2 questions...

1. Where do i get this software?
2. I just play and if i win i win. Im not thinking enough long term. Where do i learn the patience you guys have to 4 table for 10 hours a day and make the $$ i could be earning while im working, but im a comfier chair and with the possibility of much, much more? I have learnt patience well during the year, but i need more for cash games, any advice? or do i just learn as i go, and when the $$$ start coming, realise the goldmine of fish entrails i could be living in ??

[nflchad]

1. Bottom of this page, theres a banner, the software is $55 but if your serious about playing it's well worth the money.
2. If you have no patience then mullti-tabling is a good thing for you, it allows you to keep busy while earning more $ (assuming your a winning player).

[SirFWALGMan]

I agree with everyone that 40% is a high VP%IP, buuuutttt in 6-MAX your VP$IP should be higher than in 10-sided. You play more hands, because with less people, your moderately strong hands gain strength. I would not think low 30% would be bad for 6-Max. I have an 18% VP$IP. I play 10-sided ring though. NL. I am a tight bastard. At 25/NL there is no reason to not just nut hunt.

[PShabi]

I don't believe anyone on this site is 4 tabling 10 hours a day.

I just two, sometimes three, table 3/6. And that's only 3 hours a day or so.

[nutbag]

Yeah, I'm up to five or six hr's a day at four (I better play a bunch of tables if i'm still at the baby limits), but realized just how difficult it is to keep focused. If all those nuts who say they 6-8 table 8 hours a day are telling the truth, that impresses me and scares me at the same time.

TP, you might have lost my question earlier about turn stuff/agression. Take a glance for me if you get the chance, thanks.

[Talking Poker]

Yes, I did forget about this. I didn't reply right away because it's a lot of questions

Anyhoo.... as you saw, I don't check raise all that much, and when I do, it's on the turn. When there are multiple players in the pot, my check raises are very position dependent, depending on what I am trying to accomplish with them. Examples:

1. Say there are 3 of us and I am UTG with a vulnerable hand (TT overpair, for example). If I think Player 2 will check and Player 3 will bet, then I will check raise to eliminate Player #2. If, however, I think the player to my immediate left will bet/raise, I would lead out and let him raise to eliminate Player 3.

2. Same 3 players, but this time ,I have JdTd and the flop was As9d8d. I have a monster draw. Here, I want to build the pot, so I play it exactly the opposite. If I think Player 2 will check, I bet out and squeeze him. When Player 3 raises, I can reraise and really build this pot. This is especially good with even more players in the hand. However, if I think Player 2 would bet/raise, I check raise, because I don't want him driving out the player(s) behind him with a raise. Make sense?

I don't know that that really answers your question, but that covers most of my flop check raises. Heads Up, I usually wait for the turn and do it with very strong hands.

I bluff checkraise on the turn very rarely. The only time I would do that is with a sick looking board that I'm almost certain my opponent missed. It's dangerous too, because when you get reraised, you're done with the hand. And it won't work against weak opponents. They will gladly call with their KJ here. I really don't do this much, but I will do it against certain types of players.

As for your last statement/question, I'm not sure. I'd like to think I'd do just fine at 1/2. In fact, I think my numbers would be much better there, because my advantage (making less mistakes than my opponents) would be even higher. I don't know how you would do at 5/10...

[PShabi]

My check/raise % was slightly lower than Nutbags. But a high% of those actions were on the flop.

Most of my check/raises are in a situation like #1. I find myself in that situation a lot.

[nutbag]

Yeah, I'm sure you could keep my rate or higher in a 1/2 while sleeping, but I was more thinking if a loose style is good for micro limits, so you can have more opportunites to take advantage of those mistakes.

[Talking Poker]

Sounds reasonable to me.