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09-21-05, 02:48 PM
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While 10x is a bit crazy, early on in the a tournament, the standard raise is closer to 5xBB than it is to 3. This also has to be adjusted sometimes. If 3x is doing it then great why risk more. If you are getting 8 callers on your 5x BB its time to jump it up. I was playing a tournament last night where bliinds started at 100/100 and 15,000 chips. The average opening raise was 700-1000. If you opened for 400-500 there'd be 3-4 callers....crazy.
Regardless, I venture to say that if in a 1500 starting chip, 10/20 starting blinds tournament if a MP player raised to 60 he'd have multiple callers almost everytime...especially online |
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09-21-05, 03:11 PM
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right ok, point takes, but.........
ReelDeal-Jax: posts small blind 15 Dr_N0: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ReelDeal-Jax [As Ah] Ace3700: folds King C69: folds windmill78: folds rer4dad: folds El Carib: folds mrbluto: folds mateooo: calls 30 ReelDeal-Jax: raises 370 to 400 thats a 13.34x BB raise, excessive in the least |
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09-21-05, 03:43 PM
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In addition to what Zybomb posted, here's what also was factoring into my decisions... I had been one of the "table bullies" from the start and it was fairly effective. When I got the pocket As the first time I raised 5XBB and got one of the smaller stacks to go all-in with 44 and he rivered a 4. So, the table got to see that raise and my cards. Notice that in between the first hand history and the second (about 8 minutes apart) I had managed to get my chip stack up to where it was before the 44 sucked out on me. I'd done it by being aggressive with playable starting hands, raising every time I entered a pot. So, then the second pocket As come and I again raise 5XBB, get one caller who folds to a bet that's less than 1/2 the pot size after the flop. Very next hand I get pocket As again! My thinking now is that the table has got to be getting tired of my constant raises and I thought a big raise would look like I'm just some maniac trying to steal all the time and someone would think "he can't be getting cards every time," and would push back... I was hoping this might force someone into making a big mistake. Same thinking with the Ks, which as you can see came only a little more than a minute after the 3rd pocket As. Unfortunately, it was a table full of pansies that wouldn't mix it up.
  On top of that, I didn't want to get into the pattern of leading out with a standard/identical raise each time... I think you gotta mix it up if you get a run like this. Anyway, sucks that I basically got nothing out if it so, who knows, perhaps those were not the right plays or perhaps no one had anything close enough to make the call so it didn't matter. |
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09-21-05, 04:16 PM
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I don't agree. Even though you had a very nice rush, I believe in making the same standard open raise every time. TP has mentioned it before and I think it's a good rule. It's more difficult to put someone on a hand if they raise the same amount every time they enter a pot. I believe people are more liable to come over the top of you when you do that. I understand your reasoning, pansies just didn't want to mix it up with ya. I would rather bet the same everytime though. There are some exceptions. Like if there were a couple loose gamblers at the table then I like your strategy. But if not, stick to the standard preflop raises.
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09-21-05, 04:25 PM
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I have said something similar to this, but this isn't exactly it. The key point is not to raise to 5x BB with AA, 3x the BB with TT and 2x the BB with some other hand. You want to have a range of opening raises that you will make and vary it RANDOMLY, not based on the cards you are holding.
To keep things simple, I do typically make very similar opening raises (usually 3-4x BB). If anything, I vary my raises based on position: Early on, you can open for less because you are getting more respect. Opening from late position though, you may want to raise a bit more, as people are more likely to think you are stealing. Note that nowhere in there did I say that I raise X when I am dealt these two cards and I raise Y when I am dealt these other two cards. THAT is what I think can become a problem for people. Of course, you also want to mix up limping in with AA and KK too. A good rule of thumb is to do that every 5 or 6 times you get the hands, but I tend to do it less - more like 1:15 for me, if I had to guess. I seem to regret it when I do, so I don't do it much. |
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09-21-05, 04:44 PM
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I can see the logic in that and how it would work well in a cash game where you might be sitting at the same table with the same people for a long period of time. In a tournament where you're getting moved around I'm not sure if it's as effective. In this instance I just thought that I had to look like a maniac to these people and I was hoping someone would say, "that's it, I'm pushing back he can't have cards every time!" and make a mistake. I was hoping that by looking like a loose over agressive player I might get a call on one of these and rake in a big pot, as opposed to a 4XBB PFR followed by my CB and a fold.
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09-21-05, 05:05 PM
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One other thing... this was, obviously, a very unique situation. I'm not saying if I got top starting hands once every 30 minutes that I would play the first one for a PFR of 5XBB, then 30 minutes later the next one for 2XBB and then after another 30 minutes go with 12XBB. These came bang, bang, bang and it just was a play I thought I might try to get some one to make a mistake that might land me more chips than a standard raise. Good chance I may never again get in a situation like this, so who knows... I guess I can look on the positive said and say at least I didn't get run down by 44 again.
BTW, those are great points TP. Oh, like my new sig line? 
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