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Old 12-18-05, 04:58 PM
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Well, you're looking at it all wrong then. It should be assuring you of quite the opposite... reminding you just how bad your opponents are, and how easy it is to beat them in the long run.
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With Limit it just seems like no matter how well I am doing (for example I sat down at that game with $10 and got it up to $17) I can never seem to build anything up because I always lose it and go back down to even. Which is better than No Limit though I guess where I normally bust out.
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this is a prime example of why No Limit is better than Limit. Very hard to bet and get some one to fold. You will always have chasers that will win on the river but it is especially true in Limit poker.
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Yes, and more ofthen than not, they will pay you off with their inferior hands and chasing draws that they don't have the odds to chase.

Why don't people get that???
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Default you dont want them to fold!

People always say they like playing No Limit because "you can bet and get them to fold their draws". Speaking about cash games - you do NOT want them to fold their draws. You want them to call on their draws when you bet enough that it is not profitable for them to call long-run.

Yes, after the hand plays out and they hit their draw - you wish they would have folded - but that is just your reaction to a bad result.

Same with limit. Take the hand in question in this string. Lets pretend that the opponent showed his cards face up. Hawt made the bet and the opponent said - "Here is what i have, what do you want me to do, call or fold?" I am HOPING Hawt - and any other sane person - would say "By all means, call!". If you want him to fold - then how do you expect to make any money? He has FOUR outs. Are you playing just to steal blinds and make a few small pots on contination bets, even when you flop trips with top kicker?

Do you want them to always fold when they have the worst hand and only call you when they have you beat?
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That is a GREAT way to look at it.
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This is a much better explanation of what I was trying to say.

But seriously, why don't more people get that?
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Because it sucks when it doesn't work out like it *should*. When they miss - its great and you are a superhero, when they hit its like being kicked in the balls by a donk who clearly doesnt' know how to play cards.
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But see, that's just it. It "*should*" NOT work out a certain percentage of the time. That's the math behind it all. Keep making your opponents make more mistakes than you, and in the long run, you'll come out way ahead. Even with the bad beats that you have to learn to EXPECT, because they are all a part of what SHOULD happen.
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