RGP all in a tizzy

Frontin · #1 11-19-04, 09:39 PM

On the winholdem forum site there's a section with a few threads on team hold'em. One guy even said something like I have a few friends who I would like to play team hold'em with... it's one thing to have a bot play for you, but for a team of bots??!?!?!! WTF!!!???!!!

Talking Poker · #2 11-19-04, 10:27 PM

No kidding. If nothing else, this is a red flag to be careful when you're playing online...

Chutups · #3 11-19-04, 10:37 PM

I knew it wouldn't take a lot of time until someone made somthing like this, kind of scary you could be playing a table full of bots.

drewjax · #4 11-20-04, 12:06 AM

Is there only talk of this taking place only on Party, and not other sites.

Talking Poker · #5 11-20-04, 12:29 AM

Honestly, I'm not worried about it at all. A bot is only as good as the person who programmed it - it can't learn, it has to follow set rules, it can't adapt to the "feel" of the game, and it doesn't remember what happened the previous hand. Given all that, I STILL think it could make money by just playing half decent poker online, but I'll take my chances with a room full of them any day.

johnbaker · #6 11-20-04, 01:41 AM

cheatnig in all its forms should be prevented, i dont mind if partypoker takes screenshots of my desktop if it will prevent bot users from running around on partypoker fucking up a game of skill and turning it solely into a game of statistics.

-jB

Aequitas58 · #7 11-20-04, 03:14 PM

I disagree.

I feel like the chessplayers were the first group of people to use this argument... I do agree that in the initial stages, you CAN beat the computer - it's only a machine. But you won't be able to beat the machine once it gets better. It will stop making mistakes. You, on the other hand, will make mistakes. You can/will go on tilt. The computer won't.

Not discrediting any of your poker talent, I just think the best machine will eventually be able to beat the best player.

Ask Gary Kasparov.

Talking Poker · #8 11-20-04, 04:01 PM

You are comparing chess with poker. And you just can't do that. These are two very, very, very different games.

If and when AI takes big steps forward, sure, a bot may be able to play very, very, very good poker against it's opponents. But I think we're years and years away from that kind of technology.

Take the tournament of Champions show on ESPN for example. Sit a bot at that table instead of Raymer... it's not going to win. It wouldn't stand a chance.

You say the bot won't make mistakes and I will, but this is where I disagree with you. Hold'Em is a game where sometimes "mistakes" aren't mistakes. If the bot plays "flawlessly" by always putting it's money in when it believes it has a mathematical edge, than that's it's weakness and could be easily exploited by a half decent player.

"Eventually?" Maybe. But now? No way.

Aequitas58 · #9 11-20-04, 04:47 PM

A bot can't win the TOC, yet Annie Duke can?? COME ON!

I know what you're saying, and it is a weak comparison, but I think it applies. Agree to disagree.

PShabi · #10 11-21-04, 09:49 AM

I'M WITH YOU MAN! I would love a table full of them at low limit. You could bluff A LOT more than you could with the people you usually play. The hands would be come really short-handed and I think I could win over half the pots I had dominant position in. I'd steal the button every hand from 8 and 9. It'd be a lot of fun.