How I will manage to be the first player eliminated form the 2006 WSOP...

[Talking Poker]

Well, from what you described, I think a fold is in order (and pretty clear). I mean, at BEST, he's also got KK, but it's a lot more likely he's got AA, so I'll just fold and start off the tourney with 9100 chips or whatever (first raise to 200, his min reraise to 350, my rereraise (which I may not even make) to 900ish, and then he pushes for > 10x THAT). No big deal.

Like I said, I'm not going to throw all my money in (especially CALL it all in) with anything less than the nuts. Not early anyway. That's just stupid.

[ChipFish]

I kind of figured Kings would be the answer.

[eejit101]

yeah, but i dont think on day 1 TP will put himself all in preflop with anything other than aces, in anything over a 3 way all in pot. 4way, and your aces are behind to the table.

Saying that, i dont think TP should EVER go all in with aces in a game where alot of money is involved

[Kurn]

I don't care how many active players are in the pot, or even if its the first hand of the WSOP ME. If I EVER fold AA preflop*, take me out and shoot me.

* - Super-satellite bubble situation where my M > 20 is an exception.

[Talking Poker]

I don't care how many players are in the pot either, I'll GLADLY go all in (and even CALL all in) with the nuts in Hold'Em (barring those few satellite bubble situations, of course), and the nuts preflop is AA.

I can and will easily fold KK preflop under the right circumstances (see GTDawg's example), but I won't fold AA.

[Kurn]

In that specific situation I'd consider folding KK. I might even actually fold KK. On the other hand I have never folded KK preflop and I'd have to tune out Dan Harrington saying he doesn't believe there's anyone in the world smart enough to be correct in folding KK preflop.

[Zybomb]

Ive folded KK exactly once preflop (funny that it was at a lower limit too)
I wound up being correct in doing so this time, but not to remain results oriented, Id like to present to the situation to you and see if you think in the longrun this laydown is incorrect.

Heres the thread

[Talking Poker]

I think I could tune that out pretty easily given the example above. There is exactly ONE (reasonable - assuming not a complete bluff) hand that I can beat, and that's a seriously overplayed QQ. I suppose you could make a case for a seriously overplayed AK as well, but with me holding two Kings, that's not likely.

Anyway, factor in the liklihood of all the hands he could be holding - and even throw in 10% for a pur bluee with 2 undercards - and the math will tell you this is a pretty easy fold. And even if it comes out marginally +EV (it won't), I'd still fold. You don't win the WSOP by taking hundreds of coinflips. You win it be being patient and CALLING your money all in as a much bigger favorite than that (obviously pushing all in is different).

[Boobie Lover]

Ugh, obviously you guys haven't read "Tournament Poker for Advanced Players". There is a situation in which to fold AA, even in a non-sattellite tourney.

It basically goes like like this.

Main event of the WSOP, you have a paltry 30,000 in chips and are in last place with five people remaining. There are four stacks have exactly one million chips. The first player just goes all-in, the second calls that, and so does a third. If you find AA here, it is much better here to fold than to call. You are almost guaranteed (unless a rare tie occurs) a big jump up in money from the 5th place now to 3rd place you could find yourself in. The expect value of folding here is much greater than that which could be earned from you moving up in chips.

[Talking Poker]

Absolutely. There are a number of examples one could come up with like this. But TYPICALLY, folding AA preflop (barring some extreme example like this or a satellite bubble) is a mistake.

[Kurn]

I forgot this one. But this is a similar situation to the super in that the CEV of calling doesn't even come close to approximating the $EV of folding.