WSOP - $2500 6 max...

Penguinfan · #1 07-03-06, 08:35 AM

Rarely, if ever do Chip and I agree, this won't be any different. Moneymaker beat a MUCH shorter field than Raymer or Hachem, not 2000+, and he was the very definition of LUCKY to win that tournament.

Varknonyi simply got dealt cards that wouldn't let him lose. I'll never forget the call of the match, I think it was Gabe Kaplan (maybe not) who said "And Robert Varkonyi's hard luck continues" after Varkonyi looked down at AA for the third time in 10 hands, something like that. At least we all learned that Q 10 is the nuts.

I think Hellmuth still hates him, though Hellmuth hates everyone that isn't named Phil Hellmuth.

Talking Poker · #2 07-03-06, 12:08 PM

I think it was Norman Chad who made that comment, and just so you know, that was a fine example of SERIOUS tv editing. They showed the AA hands and SAID that they came back to back (on the first two hands of the tourney, no less), but the first hand wasn't the first hand, and the second one came HOURS later. I've spoken with Varkonyi about this, and he was pretty annoyed about how they edited that to make it look so much different than reality. And that was from the 2003 WSOP, btw - the year after he won.

PShabi · #3 07-03-06, 12:10 PM

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

melioris · #4 07-03-06, 12:15 PM

fixed

Penguinfan · #5 07-03-06, 12:26 PM

I can't play Raymers style simply because every time you bust out playing like that you know you didn't have to.

Could I have shoved all my chips in on a flush draw against Matusow and then go on to win the tournament? No. Matusow had him covered and if the flush card doesn't fall history is all together different.

Thats his game, and if I am ever deep in a big tourney the LAST person I want to see on my left with a big stack is Greg Raymer.

Windbreaker · #6 07-03-06, 12:52 PM

He had more outs than just the flush...he had two overs...which makes the play correct. I believe he was actually the favorite in on the hand...and there's a good chance Matusow would fold the hand as well. Frankly, in a field of that size, you have to gamble quite often in order to win. I'm sure even Dan Harrington has to gamble quite often to make all his final tables.