Anybody play at MansionPoker?

[Robbie Robb]

Yeah, the hands were posted in the original thread over there. They were absolutely identical. I was thinking of putting some money into Mansion in hopes of getting onto the PokerDome Challenge. I haven't yet and think I'll hold off a bit now. I've also heard that cashing out there is a bit of a pain but that's just a few extra hoops to jump through. No biggie there. But if their card generator is cranking out identical hands within minutes of each other...

[2Tone]

Assuming TP doesn't mind the link ...



Hand history is included. Thread has interesting back and forth -- the posters have a low post count, which is suspicious, and the hand histories have slightly different formats, which is discussed. But I don't see a motive for it all being a hoax, and if so, it sure is an elaborate one. If they posters are just looking for attention, I'd imagine they'd make this claim about a larger site.

[Talking Poker]

I don't mind links to sites like 2+2. It's not like no one knows it's there, and this certainly isn't SPAM trying to get new users, ya know?

My question: Is it possible for anyone to reuest these HHs from Mansion, like anyone could from Stars, Party, etc? Or are they one of the sites that annoyingly don't alow that sort of thing?

[GeoffM]

That's what I meant from the above.

[GeoffM]

What's really scary is that on 1 hand, there is an open seat, and the other, there isn't. That would mean that the entire hand had been generated, not card by card, before being dealt.

I re-state, is a random hand generator not suppose to randomly assign a hand card-by-card, and not hand-by-hand?

I don't know about you guys, but I don't see how Mansion's generator would pass an audit with this scheme.

[Quint]

I didn't go back and investigate each HH, but it was pointed out in that thread that one of the guys sitting at the full table was sitting out, so both tables were dealt 8 handed.

I think some sites shuffle the deck and set the order of cards before the first card is dealt, as you would in a live game. Other sites (party?) continually shuffle the deck throughout the hand.

Edited to add: If the email correspondance in that thread is genuine then Mansion, at least at first, refused to send the guy the HH from a table he wasn't seated at because "it meant they would have to access the account of one of the players at the table... and that would be a breech of trust with that customer". Either this is a rediculus argument trying to get rid of the guy or they have a serious problem if they can't review/audit their own records fro HH's.

[Talking Poker]

That statement alone is a HUGE red flag. I'll assume it was just them trying to blow the emailer off, but if not - YIKES.I wonder how someone noticed this (the two identical hands) in the first place.

[Talking Poker]

Did I not just explain this?The RNG shuffles the deck. At that point, the deck is set and it is "dealt" to the players. So to answer your question, no, it's not card by card.

[GeoffM]

So, in theory then, the shuffle of the deck would not matter. As I mentioned above, there were different #s of players playing, so the dude that got pockets aces, should have in theory gotten 1 A and the guy to his left should have gotten the other A. Either that or I'm totally off-base here.

[Penguinfan]

This is not COMPLETELY true, UltimateBet for example factors other things into the cards that come up, like number of players who call the flop.

Just because you fold A6 at UB and the flop come 669 doesn't mean you should wish you had played the hand, as the cards would have been different if you had called, number of players left is just one of the zillion factors they use to randomize the cards.