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12-13-04, 03:12 PM
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finley signed with the angels, and that's actually i think a great deal for them. he's a gold glover, he plays well under his age, and he averages 150+ games a year. wells is a decent signing, but i probably wouldn't have guaranteed him the 2nd year. already a crazy offseason..
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12-13-04, 03:30 PM
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Right, wrong SoCal team. Anyways, I think the Angels are going to regret this signing. He's been declining offensively the last three years to the point where last year he had .330 OBP and I don't think those GGs mean a whole lot, UZR has Finley pegged as a -23 defender the past 3 years.
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12-14-04, 03:10 PM
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He has been declining offensively the past three years.
2002: .287/.370/.499 2003: .287/.363/.500 2004: .271/.333/.490 His walk rate also dropped for the third season from 11.3% in '02, to 9.8%, to 8.8% last year. And Gold Gloves is one of the last things I would use to measure defense, among the Gold Glove winners from '04 are Jim Edmonds, a player whose range is pretty average and routinely jogs after fly balls to set up dramatic catches, Derek Jeter, who is widely regarded as having one of the worst ranges for a shortstop in baseball, and Bret Boone, who was below league average defensively for a second baseman in pretty much every statistical category this year.
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12-14-04, 03:50 PM
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I dislike Edmonds as much as anyone else and he does dive to make a dramatic catch but I think he has good range. He has made some of the most spectaculat catches i have seen. In all directions. I feel bad now writing goods things about this pud.
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12-14-04, 04:11 PM
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Edmonds probably does have one of the best abilities among major league outfielders of making unorthodox big catches, like his leaping catches that have saved a few HRs over the years. But I'm not sure if any current defensive metrics take these kinds of things into account, or if they'd even be significant enough over the course of a season to change anything. I do wonder how good of an outfielder Edmonds would be if he went all out after anything he could get near, add that with his ability to make the dramatic catches and he could probably be an amazing defensive player in all aspects.
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12-14-04, 10:39 PM
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wow yes that sure seems like a dramatic downswing in offensive numbers. those numbers are actually so close it shows what a CONSISTENT player finley is. is he a superstar? no. is he a VERY solid outfielder with good pop, a good glove, some speed, and he's durable.
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12-15-04, 03:00 PM
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I think you're missing the most important trend.
OBP 2002: .370 2003: .363 2004: .333 On base percentage is probably the most important offensive stat and Finley's has been steadily declining, and this year even his BA and SLG% showed signs of dropping off. His decreasing walk rate, which probably has the most predictive value of any of these stats, is also not a promising sign.
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